** The AMD Navi Thread **

[Spyhop]

macOS doesn't have anything to do with Vulkan. That MoltenVK compatibility layer is an unofficial sideshow.

Apple's API called Metal is unique to macOS/iOS just as DirectX is unique to Windows/Xbox. It's more for GPU-accelerated applications than games on the Mac, because theres a mutual disinterest between Apple and "core gamers".

 

[Killer7xx]

Looks like Nvidia decided to give AMD a break with the Navi pricing. They just upped prices for Super and left it at that. lol



Guess I'm definitely waiting for next year's cards, though I expect nothing but disappointment.

No surprise that the rabid Nvidia fans were sold dreams yet again with Nvidia hyping super. People saying that Nvidia would cut each SKU by $100 were delusional, their margins would have decreased and their stock price would have tanked yet again if that were to happen.

 

[D.P.]

Looks like Nvidia decided to give AMD a break with the Navi pricing. They just upped prices for Super and left it at that. lol



Guess I'm definitely waiting for next year's cards, though I expect nothing but disappointment.

I would wait a week post release. Nvidia may not make official price reductions but the street might will come down through a few factors. Not least Nvidia can sell overstocked chips to the AIBs at reduced prices.

I never would expect the original Turing cards to survive long, they are EOL.

 

[Chrisc]

Well I won't buy immediately, will probably wait until Cyberpunk comes out or at least Black Friday. Currently running 4690K and there's nothing I'm desperate to play at the moment.

Would you not wait for a decent B550 board?

 

[Participant]

Would you not wait for a decent B550 board?

Ah yeah probably, assuming PCIE4 functionality and VRM capability is the same between the two chipsets.

 

[Chrisc]

Ah yeah probably, assuming PCIE4 functionality and VRM capability is the same between the two chipsets.

Some of the higher B550 boards may perform better than some of the lower end X570. Might be worth waiting.

 

[Illuminist]

Mid August for AIB custom cards

https://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/48893-custom-radeon-rx-5700-cards-come-in-mid-august



Dunno fella. Why are you getting rid of your R7, thought it was a good example?

It was a spectacular sample, just fancied trying out nvidia after 20 years, see what it's all about, have a cheeky look at rayracing to make my own mind up. Also I can then truly know both sides of the story instead of blind fanboism through reviews and tech data, i can see it with my own eyes

 

[Zernath]

No surprise that the rabid Nvidia fans were sold dreams yet again with Nvidia hyping super. People saying that Nvidia would cut each SKU by $100 were delusional, their margins would have decreased and their stock price would have tanked yet again if that were to happen.

I suppose hope is always the last to die!

 

[vapor matt]

It was a spectacular sample, just fancied trying out nvidia after 20 years, see what it's all about, have a cheeky look at rayracing to make my own mind up. Also I can then truly know both sides of the story instead of blind fanboism through reviews and tech data, i can see it with my own eyes

I think the R7 is a stonking card, RTX features are not jaw dropping more like FPS dropping lol but understand why you wanted to see with your own eyes. So what’s the verdict for you?

R7 or 2080 with RTX features.

 

[Illuminist]

I think the R7 is a stonking card, RTX features are not jaw dropping more like FPS dropping lol but understand why you wanted to see with your own eyes. So what’s the verdict for you?

R7 or 2080 with RTX features.

The R7 is more fun to play with and overclock and the drivers are incredible ( nvidia drivers although looking like windows 98 recover better from crashes)
The speed is very similar but the 2080's edge can be felt, (also shhhhhhh but the gsync emulation on my free sync monitor is much better than just the freesync on the R7)

But I have to say having just played with the 2080 for 1 day, it's the better card
And I wish it wasn't the case, really and truly, but i could tell the difference in just 2 hours using it, AMD talk the big game but the cards just are on a different level
Maybe Navi will change this with the architecture adjustments and going forward, only time will tell.

 

[Poneros]

All the slides from AMD

https://www.techpowerup.com/256660/...-anthology-ryzen-3000-radeon-rx-5000-and-more

 

[FoxEye]

@Panos Just leave him to it dude, I want to prove you right as well but i don't think people like this can really seperate their brainwashing from facts, others will join in and we will lose is how this ends, i've tried many times.

The R7 is more fun to play with and overclock and the drivers are incredible ( nvidia drivers although looking like windows 98 recover better from crashes)
The speed is very similar but the 2080's edge can be felt, (also shhhhhhh but the gsync emulation on my free sync monitor is much better than just the freesync on the R7)

But I have to say having just played with the 2080 for 1 day, it's the better card
And I wish it wasn't the case, really and truly, but i could tell the difference in just 2 hours using it, AMD talk the big game but the cards just are on a different level

So AMD don't have the superior architecture/products after all?

 

[Illuminist]

So AMD don't have the superior architecture/products after all?

Architecture yes, gaming product no. The radeon 7 would eat the 2080 alive in any non gaming apps, the floating point is off the chain as is the memory size and bandwidth.

Actually the most glaring difference was that when games are loading the R7 was like an ssd to a hdd compared to the 2080, loading bars barely existed before and are a thing again now.

 

[bru]

The R7 is more fun to play with and overclock and the drivers are incredible ( nvidia drivers although looking like windows 98 recover better from crashes)
The speed is very similar but the 2080's edge can be felt, (also shhhhhhh but the gsync emulation on my free sync monitor is much better than just the freesync on the R7)

But I have to say having just played with the 2080 for 1 day, it's the better card
And I wish it wasn't the case, really and truly, but i could tell the difference in just 2 hours using it, AMD talk the big game but the cards just are on a different level
Maybe Navi will change this with the architecture adjustments and going forward, only time will tell.

Architecture yes, gaming product no. The radeon 7 would eat the 2080 alive in any non gaming apps, the floating point is off the chain as is the memory size and bandwidth.

Actually the most glaring difference was that when games are loading the R7 was like an ssd to a hdd compared to the 2080, loading bars barely existed before and are a thing again now.

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It is really good to hear of your experience, changing from Red to Green and not just slagging of the other side, but being constructive.

 

[8myers8]

Well get the Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary edition day one if overclockers get stock off them and i am fast to order one before all go , as need a new card in my 2nd PC , and want too see how the new cards run ....

 

[dragonslayer]

Well get the Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary edition day one if overclockers get stock off them and i am fast to order one before all go , as need a new card in my 2nd PC , and want too see how the new cards run ....

They're only for USA/ China from what I've read

 

[BigBANGtheory]

I think the R7 is a stonking card, RTX features are not jaw dropping more like FPS dropping lol but understand why you wanted to see with your own eyes. So what’s the verdict for you?

R7 or 2080 with RTX features.

R7 and 2080 are not 4k "can do it all cards", great if you're on 1440p but in 4k land nope totally pointless sku given the money being asked.

2080Ti @2070 prices yeah that could work but doesn't exist

2080Ti Super @1080Ti price could also work but doesn't exist

not sure what more to say, discreet GPU gaming for PC 4k is officially screwed atm

 

[strocky]

Actually quite mental, tribal behaviour over bits of silicon and plastic

 

[Zernath]

Actually quite mental, tribal behaviour over bits of silicon and plastic

Humans are tribal by nature, so why does this surprise you? I've seen people take sides over much less!

 

[8myers8]

They're only for USA/ China from what I've read

I asked AMD on there facebook page , and i got back his [ We expect the Radeon RX 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition to be available to customers in the UK on AMD.com! ]

So looks like i will just have to wait and see now .....

and just seen this about it
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...ary_edition_will_have_european_availability/1