Assange to go!

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Yesterday, Nils Melzer a UN Special Rapporteur on torture made a report about Assange, on the UN day about Torture

https://medium.com/@njmelzer/demasking-the-torture-of-julian-assange-b252ffdcb768

We lost the point of why he is hunted by the establishment, and that WE should be the ones demanding OUR politicians to he handed over to ICC for Crimes against Humanity.

Yet the report shows how MSM propaganda makes everyone believe he is even a rapist. With no further proof than the word of 2 women who they accuse him for not using condom, and the other for ripping apart the condom, during consensual sex that occurred long time ago before the police goes to them. (After USA demanded to be handed over). Even the "ripped" condom provided as proof, doesn't contain the DNA of anyone involved, and both the women have said, they got railroaded by the Swedish police.

I know many call me a heretic saying thus, but you exhibit the same naivety the German populace did in 1930s when Nazis were in power, believing that Poland attacked the checkpoint and killed German solders.
You exhibit the same naivety less than 20 years ago, believing Blair that Saddam had nuclear weapons. And the list is long, for giving free reign to the same people making you to live in fear and easier to control, while at the same time support the hunting of people who expose YOUR politicians crimes. But at the end the politicians are a reflections of the society and it's voters.

No we haven't actually, hes wanted for releasing secret documents. I agree the rape charges do sound a bit BS... also nice to see godwins law is still true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/world/24assange.html In summary, the guys a crackpot with an agenda.
 
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Yesterday, Nils Melzer a UN Special Rapporteur on torture made a report about Assange, on the UN day about Torture

https://medium.com/@njmelzer/demasking-the-torture-of-julian-assange-b252ffdcb768

We lost the point of why he is hunted by the establishment, and that WE should be the ones demanding OUR politicians to he handed over to ICC for Crimes against Humanity.

Yet the report shows how MSM propaganda makes everyone believe he is even a rapist. With no further proof than the word of 2 women who they accuse him for not using condom, and the other for ripping apart the condom, during consensual sex that occurred long time ago before the police goes to them. (After USA demanded to be handed over). Even the "ripped" condom provided as proof, doesn't contain the DNA of anyone involved, and both the women have said, they got railroaded by the Swedish police.

I know many call me a heretic saying thus, but you exhibit the same naivety the German populace did in 1930s when Nazis were in power, believing that Poland attacked the checkpoint and killed German solders.
You exhibit the same naivety less than 20 years ago, believing Blair that Saddam had nuclear weapons. And the list is long, for giving free reign to the same people making you to live in fear and easier to control, while at the same time support the hunting of people who expose YOUR politicians crimes. But at the end the politicians are a reflections of the society and it's voters.

The sex stops being consensual at the point he rips the condom.

The key phrase is "informed consent", a person may consent to the risks of sex with a condom, but not to the risk of sex without a condom. So if he deliberately tampered with the condom or continued having sex after it ripped by itself then it is rape by any common sense definition.
 
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24/7 365 days a year surveillance of a bail skipper for 7 years is completely standard police procedure and not at all grossly disproportionate
Correct, it is.

It just seems outlandish to you because the scenario of somebody being on the run from the police in an easily siege-able yet completely impenetrable location that they know the location of almost never happens.


Yet the report shows how MSM propaganda makes everyone believe he is even a rapist.
I mean technically speaking it was Assange who convinced everyone (bar conspiracy theorists) he was a rapist when he committed rape then owned up to it (remember his defence has never been that he didn't do it, but that he doesn't personally consider it to be rape, despite it being rape in Sweden, the UK and his home country of Australia).


He's spent 7 years being arbitrarily detained in an embassy
No, he's spent 7 years in self imposed house arrest in an attempt to dodge a rape investigation, it's different. He was free to leave at any time, after which (for the majority of his stay) he would have served a short jail term for bail violation before being sent to Sweden, at which point he would either have been cleared and released or convicted and imprisoned, either way he would be a free man by now and at home, he has nobody to blame for his poor life choices than himself.

is now in a maximum security prison with hardened criminals and faces extradition to the US to spend the rest of his life in prison for publishing information.
The truly hilarious thing about it is, that the situation he now finds himself in is 100% of his own making, if he had never gone to the embassy or come out years ago then (as above) he would be at home by now chilling, hell it wasn't even possible for the US to request his extradition back then as Sweden had first dibs and they would never extradite him to the US when they were finished with him. However because he spent all those years ranting that it was a big US conspiracy to try and whip people onto his side, one of the CT nuts he convinced was Donald Trump who became president while he was in the embassy and now wants him extraditing.

You couldn't make it up, Assange has literally written the self fulfilling prophecy of how he destroyed his life xD
 
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For second time, the Seth Rich conspiracy theory spread by Wikileaks and endorsed by Julian Assange has been exposed as Russian propaganda:

A conspiracy theory about a murdered Democratic National Committee staffer that was repeatedly brought up on Fox News and by allies of President Donald Trump was planted and promoted by Russian intelligence, according to an investigation by Yahoo News.

The theory centers on Seth Rich, a DNC data director who was shot in 2016 in what authorities have suspected was an attempted robbery in Washington. Rich's death was quickly seized on by a variety of internet conspiracy theorists and far-right media, as well as Wikileaks, which offered a $20,000 reward for information in the case.

(Source).

Mueller's investigation had already proved this, but it's nice to hear it from an independent source as well.

Still waiting for Wikileaks to issue a retraction...
 
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For second time, the Seth Rich conspiracy theory spread by Wikileaks and endorsed by Julian Assange has been exposed as Russian propaganda:



(Source).

Mueller's investigation had already proved this, but it's nice to hear it from an independent source as well.

Still waiting for Wikileaks to issue a retraction...

Wow, you blindly believe just about anything you read don't you, the article provides no proof or any sort of hint it might be true

Michael Isikoff was a conspirer in the Russian hoax who peddled the fake Steele dossier that was later used by the Obama FBI to get the FISA warrant....

This is also the same guy who was forced to apologize after hyping the Steele dossier.

A top investigative journalist who promoted information from the so-called “Trump dossier” that claimed Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign colluded with Russia now says the media should have approached the document with "more skepticism.”

Why do you think they're bringing it back up? Trump's been dropping hints on and off about the server for ages

"Podesta told the FBI to get out and they never took the server, think about that Sean".

"...Where is the DNC Server, and why didn't the FBI take possession of it? Deep State?"

"Russia continues to say they had nothing to do with Meddling in our Election! Where is the DNC Server, and why didn't Shady James Comey and the now disgraced FBI agents take and closely examine it? Why isn't Hillary/Russia being looked at? So many questions, so much corruption!"

"Our Justice Department must not let Awan & Debbie Wasserman Schultz off the hook. The Democrat I.T. scandal is a key to much of the corruption we see today. They want to make a "plea deal" to hide what is on their Server. Where is Server? Really bad!"

What ever happened to the Server, at the center of so much Corruption, that the Democratic National Committee REFUSED to hand over to the hard charging (except in the case of Democrats) FBI? They broke into homes & offices early in the morning, but were afraid to take the Server?

They know news is going to drop, Barr/Durham/Huber/Horowitz have been getting to the bottom of it all. There is absolutely no other reason they would cover his death beyond getting ahead of damaging information for their narrative. If Seth Rich leaked the info from the DNC, the entire Russia narrative falls apart completely. The only thing they have tying Russia to “election meddling” is Crowd Strike’s investigation on a “clone” of the server. The FBI knew immediately the server wasn't hacked by Russians or anyone else, that story was a total fabrication to cover for the fact it was an inside job
 
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the entire Russia narrative falls apart completely. The only thing they have tying Russia to “election meddling” is Crowd Strike’s investigation on a “clone” of the server. The FBI knew immediately the server wasn't hacked by Russians or anyone else, that story was a total fabrication to cover for the fact it was an inside job

Yeah, it does seem to be falling apart quite badly..

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1148581532598198273
 
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Wow, you blindly believe just about anything you read don't you, the article provides no proof or any sort of hint it might be true

Michael Isikoff was a conspirer in the Russian hoax who peddled the fake Steele dossier that was later used by the Obama FBI to get the FISA warrant....

This is also the same guy who was forced to apologize after hyping the Steele dossier.

Why do you think they're bringing it back up? Trump's been dropping hints on and off about the server for ages

They know news is going to drop, Barr/Durham/Huber/Horowitz have been getting to the bottom of it all. There is absolutely no other reason they would cover his death beyond getting ahead of damaging information for their narrative. If Seth Rich leaked the info from the DNC, the entire Russia narrative falls apart completely. The only thing they have tying Russia to “election meddling” is Crowd Strike’s investigation on a “clone” of the server. The FBI knew immediately the server wasn't hacked by Russians or anyone else, that story was a total fabrication to cover for the fact it was an inside job

Bring facts, not conspiracy theories. The Seth Rich hoax is dead. Get over it.
 
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Remember when Wikileaks claimed that the notorious Mexican drug baron El Chapo had donated $15 million to the Clinton Foundation? This was fake news, but Assange vigorously endorsed it anyway.

Anyone still want to tell me that Wikileaks is never wrong, and has never needed to retract anything?
 
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LOL, playing 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon with an unsubstantiated claim from a news article which gives no evidence or sources that it was a "Russian hack"

But here's all this.

  1. How many robbery victims end up getting shot in the back? I'd wager the majority are shot while struggling with the robber or when the robber panics after the victim gives up their belongings.
  2. Assange pretty much confirmed he was the leaker
  3. Wikileaks put up a reward for conviction of his murder
  4. Shot twice in the back at 4am, supposed robbery, nothing taken
  5. DNC refused to hand over the server to the FBI or DoJ
  6. Somehow a private company was allowed to investigate, allowed to do the redactions, and claimed the redacted parts were not relevant to the investigation. And we're all just supposed to believe them because "Crowdstrike said so"
  7. The FBI never looked into it.
  8. FBI van got 'broken into' that night and two FBI guns happened to disappear that night
  9. Former top intelligence officers, including NSA specialists (Bill Binney being one) show that forensics on the transfer speeds (22.7 MB per second from an ISP in 2016) make it highly unlikely that it was a remote hack. The speeds are more consistent with flash media devices, like a USB thumbdrive
  10. NSA Has 32 Pages of Communications Between Seth Rich and Julian Assange as revealed by FOIA request
  11. The lead investigator for the DC police happened to be Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's brother
  12. Why did Brazile write "she was haunted by the still-unsolved murder of DNC data staffer Seth Rich and feared for her own life, shutting the blinds to her office window so snipers could not see her and installing surveillance cameras at her home." if it was just a robbery?
  13. Seth Rich was conscious and breathing when officers were at the scene
  14. Doctor working at the hospital Seth Rich was taken to on a guestlist for a Podesta fundraiser.
  15. His wife Lisa Kountoupes is a friend of Podesta, Clinton admin veteran, also lobbied for them. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/14833. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26634
  16. They also have Uranium One connections
  17. According to Ed Butowsky, an acquaintance of the family, in his discussions with Joel and Mary Rich, they confirmed that their son transmitted the DNC emails to Wikileaks.
  18. The DNC named a bike rack after him, where was their reward money?
  19. The family hired private investigator Rod Wheeler. Wheeler attempted to call the DC police chief and his call/messages were never returned. Donna Brazille called Mr. Rich and asked why they hired Wheeler.
  20. Podesta "I'd like to make an example out of the leaker, whether or not we have a basis for it"
  21. Seymour Hersh, politzer prize winning journo says he knows Seth was the source. Wikileaks also tweets about it.
  22. Officer Robinson responded to the shooting. Robinson went to Georgetown U when Podesta taught there. Robinson's sister worked for HRC
  23. DNC spokesman was "assigned" to the family. The family never hired or wanted him to represent them.
  24. Why on earth would the spokesperson (crisis manager) for the family of a murder victim be so rabidly against people who may have information about his assassination coming forward?
  25. Why did Brad Bauman, partner and crisis communications expert for the Pastorum Group, and Executive Director of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, worm his way into the Rich family and become their family spokesman? This was supposedly a robbery (where nothing was taken) gone wrong. So why the need for one of the world’s top experts on crisis PR management?
  26. They didn't. DNC is who needed crisis PR management.
  27. Seth Rich was the only white person who was murdered in DC in all of 2016, and is the only unsolved DC homicide in the last five years with a white victim
Obviously not sure if true, but huge if it is

Funny how all these "alt right conspiracy theories" keep getting proven true isn't it. Russia hoax, Epstein for example
 
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Judge dismisses DNC lawsuit against Trump campaign, Russia, WikiLeaks over hacking

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dnc-lawsuit-trump-campaign-russia-wikileaks-hacking-dismissed

"However, Judge John Koeltl, a Bill Clinton appointee, wrote in his opinion Tuesday that the DNC's argument was "entirely divorced" from the facts."

"In short, the DNC raises a number of connections and communications between the defendants and with people loosely connected to the Russian Federation, but at no point does the DNC allege any facts ... to show that any of the defendants -- other than the Russian Federation -- participated in the theft of the DNC's information," Koeltl said
 
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Don't mind me, I'm just taking a moment to remind everyone that the 'Wikileaks is never wrong and has never needed to retract anything' nonsense is ridiculously easy to refute.

Here's Wikileaks spreading a debunked conspiracy theory about Gloria Steinem, in a tweet that they later deleted, linking to a video that doesn't say what they claim, and referencing the notorious conspiracy theorist website whale.to as their source!

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LOL, playing 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon with an unsubstantiated claim from a news article which gives no evidence or sources that it was a "Russian hack"

But here's all this.

  1. How many robbery victims end up getting shot in the back? I'd wager the majority are shot while struggling with the robber or when the robber panics after the victim gives up their belongings.
  2. Assange pretty much confirmed he was the leaker
  3. Wikileaks put up a reward for conviction of his murder
  4. Shot twice in the back at 4am, supposed robbery, nothing taken
  5. DNC refused to hand over the server to the FBI or DoJ
  6. Somehow a private company was allowed to investigate, allowed to do the redactions, and claimed the redacted parts were not relevant to the investigation. And we're all just supposed to believe them because "Crowdstrike said so"
  7. The FBI never looked into it.
  8. FBI van got 'broken into' that night and two FBI guns happened to disappear that night
  9. Former top intelligence officers, including NSA specialists (Bill Binney being one) show that forensics on the transfer speeds (22.7 MB per second from an ISP in 2016) make it highly unlikely that it was a remote hack. The speeds are more consistent with flash media devices, like a USB thumbdrive
  10. NSA Has 32 Pages of Communications Between Seth Rich and Julian Assange as revealed by FOIA request
  11. The lead investigator for the DC police happened to be Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's brother
  12. Why did Brazile write "she was haunted by the still-unsolved murder of DNC data staffer Seth Rich and feared for her own life, shutting the blinds to her office window so snipers could not see her and installing surveillance cameras at her home." if it was just a robbery?
  13. Seth Rich was conscious and breathing when officers were at the scene
  14. Doctor working at the hospital Seth Rich was taken to on a guestlist for a Podesta fundraiser.
  15. His wife Lisa Kountoupes is a friend of Podesta, Clinton admin veteran, also lobbied for them. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/14833. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26634
  16. They also have Uranium One connections
  17. According to Ed Butowsky, an acquaintance of the family, in his discussions with Joel and Mary Rich, they confirmed that their son transmitted the DNC emails to Wikileaks.
  18. The DNC named a bike rack after him, where was their reward money?
  19. The family hired private investigator Rod Wheeler. Wheeler attempted to call the DC police chief and his call/messages were never returned. Donna Brazille called Mr. Rich and asked why they hired Wheeler.
  20. Podesta "I'd like to make an example out of the leaker, whether or not we have a basis for it"
  21. Seymour Hersh, politzer prize winning journo says he knows Seth was the source. Wikileaks also tweets about it.
  22. Officer Robinson responded to the shooting. Robinson went to Georgetown U when Podesta taught there. Robinson's sister worked for HRC
  23. DNC spokesman was "assigned" to the family. The family never hired or wanted him to represent them.
  24. Why on earth would the spokesperson (crisis manager) for the family of a murder victim be so rabidly against people who may have information about his assassination coming forward?
  25. Why did Brad Bauman, partner and crisis communications expert for the Pastorum Group, and Executive Director of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, worm his way into the Rich family and become their family spokesman? This was supposedly a robbery (where nothing was taken) gone wrong. So why the need for one of the world’s top experts on crisis PR management?
  26. They didn't. DNC is who needed crisis PR management.
  27. Seth Rich was the only white person who was murdered in DC in all of 2016, and is the only unsolved DC homicide in the last five years with a white victim
Obviously not sure if true, but huge if it is

This is a mixture of lies, half truths, irrelevant facts, unsubstantiated claims, logical flaws, and comprehensively debunked assertions.
 
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