What from my current build can be redeemed?

jaybee82 · 9 Jul 2019 at 19:55

Hi all,

I’m looking at building a new system shortly with the basis being AMD based, 3700x likely coupled with maybe an X470 Mobo.

System will ideally need to be future proof for games running on max settings. Looking at my current build, I’m not sure what could conceivably go towards the new build other than maybe the 1070 and monitor. Am I right?

Also is the 1070 still capable of performing to a high level in 2019 and potentially beyond?

Just to add, I’m not super fussed about 4K and bigger monitors than what I currently have.

jaybee82 · 9 Jul 2019 at 20:21

Just off the back of this I’m looking at going the 1440p route.

tamzzy · 9 Jul 2019 at 20:26

gpu and psu

Zefan · 9 Jul 2019 at 20:40

Not ignoring your premise of an AMD rig but I think you'd be wasting your money on a new Ryzen system. Your CPU/mobo/RAM have legs in them yet, I'd see what you can squeeze out of it with a 4790k. A Ryzen will be better at other tasks, yes, but the only real benefit to gaming will be higher minimum framerate, and - depending on the game - a small bump in average/max. That would be for 1080p, the difference will be even smaller for running 1440p. Even at 1080p nearly all modern games won't be maxing out your CPU as it stands, so you'll benefit most of all from upgrading GPU.

:edit: if the socket was at the beginning of its life it would be almost worth dipping in to it now for the performance boost, with a view to being upgradeable in the future, however AFAIK this is the last release of CPUs on AM4.

jaybee82 · 9 Jul 2019 at 20:57

Zefan said:
Not ignoring your premise of an AMD rig but I think you'd be wasting your money on a new Ryzen system. Your CPU/mobo/RAM have legs in them yet, I'd see what you can squeeze out of it with a 4790k. A Ryzen will be better at other tasks, yes, but the only real benefit to gaming will be higher minimum framerate, and - depending on the game - a small bump in average/max. That would be for 1080p, the difference will be even smaller for running 1440p. Even at 1080p nearly all modern games won't be maxing out your CPU as it stands, so you'll benefit most of all from upgrading GPU.

:edit: if the socket was at the beginning of its life it would be almost worth dipping in to it now for the performance boost, with a view to being upgradeable in the future, however AFAIK this is

Interesting, now you've given me something to think about :eek:

So you'd effectively recommend going with a new CPU (4790k) for now and riding it out for awhile longer yet? My only concern is this seems still a fairly pricey processor, and I'd not want to be in a position to have to change it in a year

tamzzy · 9 Jul 2019 at 20:58

don't buy a 4790k new lol. get it used.

tamzzy · 9 Jul 2019 at 20:59

4790k vs 3900x

jaybee82 · 9 Jul 2019 at 21:18

tamzzy said:
4790k vs 3900x

Excellent, I think you guys just saved me a shed load of money in the short term, glad I posted!

Danny75 · 9 Jul 2019 at 21:19

@tamzzy

Interesting youtube channel that. Tons of benchmarks of new hardware released past couple of days and they don't show they actually have any of it with them. 135 video uploads in the past 3 days, of 3 day old hardware, presuming to consist of a number of tests with different hardware each time. Quite prolific.

Actually reminds me of another channel that was getting called out for fake benchmarks and just uploading quantity for hits. I imagine there's plenty doing this as it's not hard, just do some maths based off Cinebench results by others or similar, and randomize here and there to throw people off and create click bait discussions. That guy apparently had all the GPUs and CPUs ever known to man and when the actual item was not being sold anymore he'd make sure to include affiliate links to even the MOUSE he used in his "test setup".

tamzzy · 9 Jul 2019 at 21:21

Danny75 said:
Interesting youtube channel that. Tons of benchmarks of new hardware released past couple of days and they don't show they actually have any of it with them. 135 video uploads in the past 3 days, of 3 day old hardware, presuming to consist of a number of tests with different hardware each time. Quite prolific.

ah fair enough comment. i didn't delve further into what's in the video...so can't vouch for its authenticity

jaybee82 · 10 Jul 2019 at 06:40

So is the general opinion still that I bang a 4790k? Or could I conceivably go to an i7? Any other aspects of my system I could upgrade to make a significant distance?

Kurgen · 10 Jul 2019 at 08:36

A 4790k is an i7 :rolleyes:

Danny75 · 10 Jul 2019 at 09:43

I'm on a similar 4770K + GTX 1070 pairing and it's fine and have no need to upgrade CPU just yet. So if you can find a 4770K or 4790K for decent money, go for it. The 4770K is sold for £110 from a retailer specialising in second hand goods. Cheaper than the 4790K at £170. There's no real difference between the two other than 4790K is faster speed out of the box before overclocking.

pastymuncher · 10 Jul 2019 at 09:46

For what you are going to pay for a 4790k (they still sell for £150-200 or more on Ebay) you would be better off moving to the latest AMD Ryzen platform. You should get between £120-150 for your current cpu/mobo/memory so take that along with the money you have saved by not getting a 4790k and put it towards a Ryzen 5 3600 (6 cores/12 threads), X570 motherboard (only X570 boards are certain to take a 3000 series cpu without a bios flash) and some fast DDR4. If you really want to throw the boat out go for the 3700X. Whatever you decide to do don't pay silly money for a second hand 4-5 year old cpu that is still only 4 cores/8 threads with more security holes than swiss cheese.

Plec · 10 Jul 2019 at 09:53

pastymuncher said:
X570 motherboard (only ones certain to take a 3000 series cpu without a bios flash)

@pastymuncher - is that a typo (b450s/x470)?

*Waited for edit - the MSI b450s are great value for the above, paired with a 3600 - budget price for premium performance.

pastymuncher · 10 Jul 2019 at 10:10

Any boards earlier than X570 will most likely need a bios update before a 3000 series cpu will work in it. X570 launched with the 3000 series so is guaranteed to work out of the box.

Plec · 10 Jul 2019 at 10:16

pastymuncher said:
Any boards earlier than X570 will most likely need a bios update before a 3000 series cpu will work in it. X570 launched with the 3000 series so is guaranteed to work out of the box.

Yes, all pre-x570 boards (i.e. b450/x470) will need an update until latest BIOS hit the sellers (although a lot in BETA thanks to small b450 EEPROM - but some have ability to flash without CPU as you know) - i must be interpreting your bracket incorrectly after the X570 in original post.

EDITED for clarity - hope it makes sense. Either way - OP has more info than he had before, but probably more confused

pastymuncher · 10 Jul 2019 at 11:56

You have got me confused now!!

I have edited my original post for clarity although it made sense to me originally......................................I think.

Plec · 10 Jul 2019 at 12:12

pastymuncher said:
You have got me confused now!!

Hehe - not uncommon, on my part.

pastymuncher said:
I have edited my original post for clarity although it made sense to me originally......................................I think.

Sorry bud - i hate doing posts like that - especially to respected members who clearly know their onions. (i nearly didn't post out of courtesy - but if you're like me you don't mind ambiguity being pointed out. And with my ramblings - i'm more prone than most

And, you may be right - it could easily have been my error in translation.)

It got lost translation for me purely as i had previous gen boards in my head when reading the bracket (and probably only me, so don't worry) - but your edit leaves no ambiguity

Apologies for any confusion, i would have blamed the Scott in you but then again the Cornish are a bigger target

strocky · 10 Jul 2019 at 13:45

pastymuncher said:
Any boards earlier than X570 will most likely need a bios update before a 3000 series cpu will work in it. X570 launched with the 3000 series so is guaranteed to work out of the box.

MSI B450 Tomahawk & Carbon BIOS can be pre-flashed via USB without having to install a Zen 1 CPU first