** The AMD Navi Thread **

[Martini1991]

300W I believe pushing it too much. Undervolting we need and using Wattman not MSI AB which is not fully compatible with Navi yet.

FYI. Just adding 0.70mm - 1mm washers, without even moving the cooler, could improve thermals, let alone replace the graphite pad with Kryonaut. (on Steve's example uses Hydronaut).
Apparently seems is the vapour chamber that isn't flat. :/

Unwinder's got a Navi due soon.
I don't rate Wattman at all.

Undervolting is only a "thing" because of AMD's crap settings/stock set up.

300W on a morpheus cooler should be easy, it's apparently capable for 360W.
So far every set of results I've seen has had 5700XT's maxing out at ~250W at ~2.1GHZ.
Should be able to push it that extra few percent at 300W.

 

[Panos]

Unwinder's got a Navi due soon.
I don't rate Wattman at all.

Undervolting is only a "thing" because of AMD's crap settings/stock set up.

300W on a morpheus cooler should be easy, it's apparently capable for 360W.
So far every set of results I've seen has had 5700XT's maxing out at ~250W at ~2.1GHZ.
Should be able to push it that extra few percent at 300W.

Unfortunately I need a set of thermal pads and heatsinks to test the Morpheus 2 on the 5700XT AE (when ever AMD bothers to send it), because I will keep the Morpheus II on the Vega 64 as backup card, so I do not want to rip it apart.

 

[LePhuronn]

Preview of the prototype here in german: https://www.tomshw.de/2019/07/08/am...emlos-auf-21-ghz-uebertaktet-wasser-sei-dank/

Actual product on EK's web shop.
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-vector-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rgb-nickel-acetal

So no dent, no pinstriping, no inset Radeon logo. Just yet another plain black boring EK acetal block.

Where is this one source from?

It's a promo picture from EK. And quite misleading to boot.

 

[HeX]

Actual product on EK's web shop.
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/ek-vector-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rgb-nickel-acetal

So no dent, no pinstriping, no inset Radeon logo. Just yet another plain black boring EK acetal block.

From what I read the pic on the EK store is of the prototype and the actual shipping block is meant to be like the promo image *shrug*

EDIT: Saying that however the EK news article about the blocks has the plain one shown also, very misleading then if it doesn't look like the promo pic!

https://www.ekwb.com/news/ek-vector...tweet&utm_content=ek-vector-radeon-rx-5700-pr

 

[LePhuronn]

Confusion

Oh I know confusing to say the least, and disappointing.

that being said, EK have only just released their Quantum design language (read: adding a glowy bit of acrylic to the exact same acetal or acrylic cover plates as they've always used) so I would be surprised if they deviated from that purely for the 5700 series.

But damn do I like that inset Radeon logo.

 

[Besty]

Unwinder's got a Navi due soon.
I don't rate Wattman at all.

Undervolting is only a "thing" because of AMD's crap settings/stock set up.

300W on a morpheus cooler should be easy, it's apparently capable for 360W.
So far every set of results I've seen has had 5700XT's maxing out at ~250W at ~2.1GHZ.
Should be able to push it that extra few percent at 300W.

Just a reminder for those that did not own a GTX1080. Underclocking the card freed up power inside the power limit and could
give you better sustained boost clocks.

Without using a hardware shunt mod, going above a 120% power limit was not possible, even with the top tier cards with some very limited exceptions. i.e HOF with NDA bios that only a handful of people had access to

This is why it is likely that whilst BIOSes will be flashable and voltage tweakable, the powerlimit will be only changeable via hardware on the FE cards. i.e you probably won’t see 300W draw without a shunt mod.

 

[Chrisc]

Has anybody paired a 5700xt with a 3600x?

 

[Panos]

Just a reminder for those that did not own a GTX1080. Underclocking the card freed up power inside the power limit and could
give you better sustained boost clocks.

Without using a hardware shunt mod, going above a 120% power limit was not possible, even with the top tier cards with some very limited exceptions. i.e HOF with NDA bios that only a handful of people had access to

This is why it is likely that whilst BIOSes will be flashable and voltage tweakable, the powerlimit will be only changeable via hardware on the FE cards. i.e you probably won’t see 300W draw without a shunt mod.

Actually Pascal cards worked wonders if you bother to set the values through the boost curve. I had my 1080 at 2190 Mhz
Idk about Turing didn't had any card to play with the new boost curve.

 

[Mauller]

Something interesting, not sure how true these are since im just reposting from another post on another site.

NVM it was TomsHW - DE, made a thread about it.

 

[Panos]

@Martini1991 Navi supports soft tables....... huhuhuh
Look how stable the clocks were on the 2200 range with the soft tables compared to brute force!!!!!! Thats 25% overclock from the Game Clock (up to 1755Mhz)..... And still the guy uses MSI AB which is flaky with no support for Navi yet. 25%!!!!!!!!!!!

I do wonder how my AE would perform under water.....
Let alone would it beat the 2080, which cost double the price, since on the above video is breathing heavily on it's neck.

What kind of monstrosity the 5800XT could be?

 

[z10m]

Navi image sharpening seems to give better results than Nvidia DLSS..

 

[Poneros]

Idk why Igor decided to bench 1080p, it's so dumb because the results always end up overselling the performance compared to the gains at 4K. Bleah, need some real benches.

 

[Panos]

Navi image sharpening seems to give better results than Nvidia DLSS..

Yes
The DLSS image looks like we drop settings to low!!!!!

 

[Panos]

Hmm. Compared to DLSS, is it me or RIS "It Just Works"

 

[LePhuronn]

Hmm. Compared to DLSS, is it me or RIS "It Just Works"

And that's just the general use driver options. Can't wait to see what actual Fidelity FX will do when implemented.

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

Thats a huge difference between 4k and Dynamically Low Stupid Sampling..

 

[FoxEye]

Yes
The DLSS image looks like we drop settings to low!!!!!

Not sure you can get too much from that given they are entirely different frames.

 

[Illuminist]

Derp lemming stupid scampering

 

[Panos]

Thats a huge difference between 4k and Dynamically Low Stupid Sampling..

Not sure you can get too much from that given they are entirely different frames.

Did you watch the video? The 1 frame difference between 5700XT, 4K native and 4K DLSS isn't the issue here. The Tiger details would remain the same regardless except if it was on a completely different place with completely different lighting. Which isn't.

 

[z10m]

Not sure you can get too much from that given they are entirely different frames.

Yeah but textures on the tank look way better with Navi sharpening...