Will a 2070 super bottleneck badly on a 2500k

[Gti]

So I've got a ryzen 3700x build planned out but I'm wondering if I can get by another year or two and hold out for Ryzen 4000 series.
Specs right now are

2500k (oc'ed to 4ghz)
8gb ram
radeon 390 8gb

I game on my living room tv so 1080p @ 120hz. It can do 4k @ 60hz but I would need a 2080ti for that rez and ultra settings.
How realistic is it to get a 2070 super now and max out settings at 1080p and 120hz. I don't want to turn vsync on so would like to keep a high fps and all settings at ultra.

 

[Martini1991]

I wouldn't bother getting a 2070S if I was leaving it on a 2500K.

 

[opethdisciple]

Yes.

My 970 was bottlenecked by my 3570k @ 4.4Ghz.

It will work of course and games that are not CPU heavy will probably run better than currently, but your gonna get massive frame variance from low to high. The CPU is important in maintaining those minimum frames.

When I first upgraded from a 670 to a 970, I first dropped the GPU in with my QX9650 and the difference in performance when I finally upgraded the CPU to the 3570k with the same card was night and day.

 

[nutsnut]

That cpu is good for 4.5ghz and higher if your cooling it up for it. If it isn't, then save for a ryzen upgrade before dropping money on a 2070s. Would saving money buying a 5700 or xt allow you a cpu upgrade at the same time?

 

[Kelt]

That cpu is good for 4.5ghz and higher if your cooling it up for it. If it isn't, then save for a ryzen upgrade before dropping money on a 2070s. Would saving money buying a 5700 or xt allow you a cpu upgrade at the same time?

If you're not locked into Gsync (like I am) then this is a good suggestion.

The 2500K will bottleneck, and will not do justice for either a 2070S or a 5700XT.

 

[Gti]

That cpu is good for 4.5ghz and higher if your cooling it up for it. If it isn't, then save for a ryzen upgrade before dropping money on a 2070s. Would saving money buying a 5700 or xt allow you a cpu upgrade at the same time?

Running stock cooler at the moment so would need to buy something beefier, which I'm not opposed to. I would get a 5700xt but the noise puts me off, everything I've looked at tells me the nvidia cards are 10-15 dBA quieter which is quite a chunk. I would be willing to pay the £100 difference between the 2 cards for significantly less noise as the 390 really irks me at full load. I imagine once AIB's can put out their versions of the 5700xt they will get quieter but then they will also put up the price another 50 or 100 so it would be a wash.
I had realised I wouldn't be getting full performance out of the card but I was interested in knowing just how much I would lose out. Like I said I will upgrade, I was just pondering if I could hold out for next ryzen.

 

[Kelt]

Running stock cooler at the moment so would need to buy something beefier, which I'm not opposed to. I would get a 5700xt but the noise puts me off, everything I've looked at tells me the nvidia cards are 10-15 dBA quieter which is quite a chunk. I would be willing to pay the £100 difference between the 2 cards for significantly less noise as the 390 really irks me at full load. I imagine once AIB's can put out their versions of the 5700xt they will get quieter but then they will also put up the price another 50 or 100 so it would be a wash.
I had realised I wouldn't be getting full performance out of the card but I was interested in knowing just how much I would lose out. Like I said I will upgrade, I was just pondering if I could hold out for next ryzen.

Well of course you can hold out for Ryzen 3 with a 2070S, nothing stopping you. It's not like your PC will stop working.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

You won't get the most out of the GPU. You'd be better off going:

Vega 56 - £250
Ryzen 2600 - £110
B450 - £70
16gb DDR4 - £60

Total - 490

Difference average FPS between a 2600 vs 3600 = 114 vs 130 on a 2080ti and the 2600 will overclock to 120fps

Average difference between 2700S and Vega 56 = 102 vs 79 @1440p but you can get 15% more by undervolting, increasing power and overclocking. And obviously that's higher at 1080p

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

This is a 2080ti with a 2500k, you can see how little out of the GPu you're getting and how the CPU kills performance:

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Only point going for 2070S is if you're going 4k and tinkering with graphic settings.

 

[Gti]

This is a 2080ti with a 2500k, you can see how little out of the GPu you're getting and how the CPU kills performance:

I believe he's using a core 2 quad in that video which is quite a step down from sandy bridge so not a great comparison.

I didn't really want to splash out heavily on stop-gap components (a new cpu cooler maybe). The graphics card would be transfered into a new machine when I got it and the old machine would go to family.

 

[Gti]

Only point going for 2070S is if you're going 4k and tinkering with graphic settings.

I would consider 4k for some games but I'd mainly like to max out graphics at 1080p and 120hz once paired with a new ryzen build.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

I believe he's using a core 2 quad in that video which is quite a step down from sandy bridge so not a great comparison.

I didn't really want to splash out heavily on stop-gap components (a new cpu cooler maybe). The graphics card would be transfered into a new machine when I got it and the old machine would go to family.

My mistake I typed 2500k in 2019 into utube and didn't want to listen to his annoying voice. I'll find another vid

 

[andy_mk3]

I ran my GTX1080 with a 2600k for a couple of years. While upgrading the CPU improved things a lot, it still played games very well and could get 100fps+ on 1440p.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Actually maybe I'm wrong about 2500k looking at these benchmarks. I think it depends on the game though, I'm not sure he's picked the most challenging games for the CPU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jiXkrRoD4w&t=679s

 

[Gti]

Actually maybe I'm wrong about 2500k looking at these benchmarks. I think it depends on the game though, I'm not sure he's picked the most challenging games for the CPU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jiXkrRoD4w&t=679s

Nice find. I would like to see it against newest Ryzen and morew games as you say but it's interesting it equates to roughly same performance as Ryzen1. I suppose I should OC the 2500k more anyway so it lasts longer when I pass it on to relative.

 

[Marine-RX179]

My i5 2500K at 4.6GHz would bottleneck my overclocked Vega64 on Monster Hunter World by quite a large margin, particular when in the town area and some large open maps. Pretty sure in most modern games the Sandybridge will bottleneck 1080/Vega64 or above quite a bit, if gaming at below 4K.

I already got the 3700X arrived today (managed to pick one up for £295 using the 20% of code on the inflated price of £369), now just waiting for the motherboard, memory and a new PSU for the new build.

 

[Terrorfirmer]

Just not a good idea. Someone elses suggestion of a Vega 64 + Ryzen upgrade is a way better idea.

The 2500K is a titanic bottleneck, it would be a total waste.

Especially at 120hz.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Nice find. I would like to see it against newest Ryzen and morew games as you say but it's interesting it equates to roughly same performance as Ryzen1. I suppose I should OC the 2500k more anyway so it lasts longer when I pass it on to relative.

Well Ryzen 3 - so 1200/1300/2200g

I will tell you that while some games won't suffer, that games like Kingdom Come Deliverance get heavily bottlenecked by such a CPU, even on a 570/1060 level card

 

[Poneros]

The problem for you is you're aiming for 120 fps, which requires a solid CPU. Hell, even my 6800k has issues in some games achieving that (e.g. Far Cry 5).

If you want to find out how much of a bottleneck it is, it's very simple: run the games you are interested in at 720p lowest settings and keep an eye on the FPS, e.g. with MSI Afterburner. If you get 120 fps like that then you're good to go.

Honestly, it would be much easier to run 4K 60 w/ a 2070S. You'd have to do some minor settings adjustments but the card is solid at 4K!