Male Rape Victims Don't Count

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I don't normally post these sorts of links but there is a first time for everything.

I read this article and got triggered to over 9000.

When a man has penetrative sex with a woman without her consent, that's rape. But what if a woman makes a man have penetrative sex with her, without his consent? That's not rape under the law of England and Wales, but the author of a new study of the phenomenon says perhaps it should be.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-49057533

The article includes stories about partners handcuffing men to the bed, feeding them viagra and then having sex with them against the males wishes. And somehow this isn't rape? Yes, "perhaps" this should be classed as rape! I'm amazed that the law is so one sided; if a male did this behaviour (drugged and bound their non consenting partner to a bed) they would rightfully be crucified legally and through "social media mob justice"!

However, I won't ignore the fact that it is likely (I don't have any numbers) that far more males rape other people than females rape other people, and (again no evidence, just an impression from reading the news) the law is quite bad at prosecuting rapists as it is. It might even be the case that more male rapists don't get prosecuted than female rapes occur in a year, I don't know. The law has been like this for however many years and "generally" isn't a problem I suppose.

You could argue there are bigger fish to fry in terms of where men are poorly represented (divorce laws), and bigger fish to fry in terms of rape laws (as above, low prosecution rates). Do you this the law needs adjusting pronto?
 
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Gender/sex shouldn't be in legislation when unnecessary anyway because people will argue about gender rather than the crime.
Rape = sex without consent.
If the law is more specific than that it needs changing.
 
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Man bad...

Honestly though, try explaining to a extreme feminist that men can be victims you'll get the same crap. "Men are responsible for nearly all rapes" "Men are stronger and can defend themselves" "Men are slavers"

Equality goes out of the window when it comes to men. Equality for "Some" feminists is that women should be given every chance and let off with as much as possible by men and men should have it harder.

I apologise in advance to any women reading this that think I'm mansplaining. And for my manspreading right now sitting by myself.
 
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Yes, English law should be updated to match Scots law and carry the maximum prison term of life. End of debate tbh.

Rape
(1) If a person (“A”), with A's penis—
(a) without another person (“B”) consenting, and
(b) without any reasonable belief that B consents,
penetrates to any extent, either intending to do so or reckless as to whether there is penetration, the vagina, anus or mouth of B then A commits an offence, to be known as the offence of rape.
 
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I was under the impression that in such circumstances she was charged with sexual assault, which carried the same sentencing guidelines so she was effectively being treated the same though I can't evidence that and will happily be proved wrong. Perhaps that's true, perhaps it matters to the victim's to be able to hear their attacker being labelled a rapist. I don't see that the impact is going to be different, and think the law should be changed. it's probably a throw back to a time when society saw things differently, and since society has moved on, perhaps it is time the law did to.
 
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I was under the impression that in such circumstances she was charged with sexual assault, which carried the same sentencing guidelines so she was effectively being treated the same though I can't evidence that and will happily be proved wrong. Perhaps that's true, perhaps it matters to the victim's to be able to hear their attacker being labelled a rapist. I don't see that the impact is going to be different, and think the law should be changed. it's probably a throw back to a time when society saw things differently, and since society has moved on, perhaps it is time the law did to.

Sexual assault, in England, carries a lower maximum term than rape. Rape is maximum life. Sexual assault is 10 years iirc.
 
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On the wider aspect...Equality under the law regardless of race, religion or gender. This should be the final word on every aspect of British life.

If you end all these special interest groups that have cropped up suddenly you end a lot of the fuel creating the infighting this country is seeing at the moment. Wherever there is wiggle room the identity politics crowd will try and chip away and cause trouble.
 
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Note to certain posters that the study trying to highlight this was carried out/published BY A WOMAN.

Whoa, you just assumed the authors' gender. CHECK YOUR THINKING!

Quite an interesting report - what is curious is the range of offences that fall under this category. From the old sneaky finger to full blown bloke being pinned down by multiple people and attacked!

What is striking is the rate of reporting to the police, about 1/10th that of women.
 
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What is striking is the rate of reporting to the police, about 1/10th that of women.

It's an absolute scandal. There's still a huge issue with victim blaming: "they were asking for it" "they got drunk, what do they expect?" "They were dancing with the person all night so obviously they wanted it" etc and not to mention that police often don't believe the victim plus the high level of evidence required seriously impacts the chances of conviction.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but something needs to happen. The effect of rape on the person is unimaginable for those who haven't experienced it or have a close understanding of it.
 
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It's an absolute scandal. There's still a huge issue with victim blaming: "they were asking for it" "they got drunk, what do they expect?" "They were dancing with the person all night so obviously they wanted it" etc and not to mention that police often don't believe the victim plus the high level of evidence required seriously impacts the chances of conviction.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but something needs to happen. The effect of rape on the person is unimaginable for those who haven't experienced it or have a close understanding of it.


It's even worse when you consider how few women (as an estimate) report attacks on them. If we extrapolate that to men it shows just how dire the situation is.
 
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I have to say reading the article, at this point;

"I was sitting in the living room and she just came in from the kitchen, punched me very hard on the nose and ran off giggling," John says.

I would have left.

I know when I was younger and me and my male friends were all having our first relationship, they all talked of how their girlfriends had hit them. They seem to think that was normal.
 
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Lot of broken,beta males here today.
I guess men get raped by women not so often, so if and when it happens there can be a case by case judgement.

Ask yourself why does this bother you?
Do you have a horse in the race or just an antagonist?
 
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It's fine. We are all here to discuss opinion.
These threads turn into echo chambers very fast.

How many people on this entire forum, have for example, been "raped" by a woman?
No im not talking about domestic abuse, slappy partners, violence of any type. That's a whole different subject.

Change the name of the crime by all means, it's not going to change how the victim feels. It will take 50 years For culture and society to adapt.
 
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The law needs to be changed. Rape is rape, no matter who it happens to.

That being said, how on earth does a man allow himself to be raped? If he was drugged or something, then fair enough but I just don't get it.
 
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