Air con issue

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Hi all, I've just got a car from my parents, they had the air con tested & re-gassed last year, but when I took it over I found out that the air con wasn't working, I went ahead & put some gas in it, but it's only running at about 50% (cooling efficiency) the garage told them it didn't have a leak but how can this be when I've re-gassed it & it's still not running ice cold either
 
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I assume you bought a re-fill/top up bottle? Those things are a load of rubbish. I'd get it checked out at a garage. It's very possible that either a very small leak wasn't detected at the time it was done last year, or a leak has developed since then. Ideally it wants filling with nitrogen for a proper leak test (not just a vacuum leak test like a lot of fast-fit places do), then if they find a leak then tell you what it needs to fix it, most commonly the condenser.
 
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Yes I did buy a bottle STP from Halfords & have used them several times before on other cars with perfect results so I disagree that they are rubbish, I'm not spending hundreds on it so will probably be going down the route of a leak sealer £20 a bottle, I agree that it needs a full leak test but what I don't understand is I've been using it for about 2 months & it's not lost anymore gas (maybe your right it's got a very small leak) it's running same as when I put it it, weird, thanks for your reply
 
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Most leak tester only test for a vacuum. Then say it's fine.

Unfortunately sometimes it may hold a vacuum... But doesn't mean there is no leak when under pressure.

You need a garage to fill it with a different gas with a UV dye. Then leave it a week, go back and have them look for UV dye. I bet they find the leak.
 
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Only thing I can think is the pressure of the half full system is not enough to push anymore out of the leak

Yeah your right but I can't warrant spending that much on it, I drive on a shoe string, hence the self filled route I choose lol

Thanks again for your input very helpful
 
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What car is it? Is it your first car? The tone of your thread telling me you've inherited a 20 year old Clio as your first car, in which case it's not worth fixing the AC as that money will be better put towards a new car when you buy one. It'll be money down the drain.
 
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Hi all, I've just got a car from my parents, they had the air con tested & re-gassed last year, but when I took it over I found out that the air con wasn't working, I went ahead & put some gas in it, but it's only running at about 50% (cooling efficiency) the garage told them it didn't have a leak but how can this be when I've re-gassed it & it's still not running ice cold either


when was the last time the A/C was used ?
if not used often enough they break

A/C gas has a little oil to keep the seals working as they should if not then you will have a leak somewhere
i had to buy a new Condenser early this year because i hadn't used it enough
now i got bliss cold A/C :D
 
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Yes I did buy a bottle STP from Halfords & have used them several times before on other cars with perfect results so I disagree that they are rubbish, I'm not spending hundreds on it so will probably be going down the route of a leak sealer £20 a bottle, I agree that it needs a full leak test but what I don't understand is I've been using it for about 2 months & it's not lost anymore gas (maybe your right it's got a very small leak) it's running same as when I put it it, weird, thanks for your reply


Please in the name of all that is good DO NOT USE A LEAK SEALER.

Unfortunately, AC leak sealer can’t distinguish between water that’s condensed at a leak location and water that’s already in the system. It’s important to understand that a leaking AC system has already let outside air into the system and that air contains moisture. In most cases, that humidity is absorbed by the desiccant in the receiver/drier or accumulator. However if there’s any free-flowing moisture in the system, it’s usually at the orifice tube or expansion valve, since those are the areas where there’s a larger temperature drop and condensation forms. And THAT is where the problem arises. Like I said, the sealer can’t tell the difference between leak water and desiccant water. So it will react and harden WHEREVER it comes in contact with water.

Adding leak sealer to a “wet” system can cause far worse problems than the original leak. That’s why the instructions for the professional AC leak sealers require a complete system evacuation to dry out the system. Some even require a new receiver drier or accumulator to be fitted before adding the sealer. If you just add AC sealer to a wet system, don’t be surprised when it makes things far worse.


The sealer will probably work for very small pinhole leaks in the evaporator or condenser, however it is very important to remember that;

• It WILL NOT work for leaks at the compressor shaft seal or O-rings (second most common places for leaks after a holed condenser)

• It WILL clog the desiccant in the receiver drier or accumulator as the system is almost guaranteed to contain moisture if it has had a leak previously and not been evacuated and dried out thoroughly.

• It WILL reduce cooling by up to 7 TO 10%, Sealer flowing around the system will take up room within the system that refrigerant gas should take up, so you will be running without a full load of refrigerant.

• If you ever take the vehicle to a repair shop, you WILL incur large additional costs to evacuate the system because it is contaminated with sealer.
 
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get it done properly with an AC specialist or don't bother tbh. This week has proved to be the best £230 I have ever spent getting the system in my Honda Civic back in working order (leaking condenser and clutch shims).
 
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I dont understand why any sane person would buy a bottle of gas for £50-60 when it costs less than that to have it done properly
 
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