Shave my balls, bigot!

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Many trans people have brain patterns more closely similar to the gender they think they are to the gender they are born with. If they want to change why not let them, who is it harming? No one's forcing you to embrace anything
Except when they are? Often attempting to use anti-discrimination laws to do just that.

Or forcing their way into women's sports. That's harmful.

Or forcing their way into the school curriculum, leading to...

Pressuring young people into having hormone suppression therapy, at an age when they are maximally confused and experiencing rapid change.

Or pressuring gay people into having life-changing surgery they later regret. Extremely harmful and leads to suicide.

Sure, not hurting anyone.
, you do you, but if your rude and offensive to someone you have to deal with those consequences.
It's a mental illness. We should be trying to help people rather than encouraging mentally ill/unstable people to make life-altering decisions whilst being strongly affected by their illness.

We wouldn't treat any other illness this way.

You wouldn't ask a person with hypothermia if they'd like to take all their clothes off and run around in the snow. Yet sometimes that's what a hypodermic mind thinks it needs.

e: Some more "harm" that's being caused.

-The idea that men can't like doing things that are considered "female" pursuits; the idea that women can't like doing things considered "male" pursuits. The idea that a man must be manly or he's a woman in a man's body.

This is -extremely harmful- pap. This reinforcing of often arbitrary "gender norms" and locking them in with such force that you're actually suggesting you're in the wrong body if you don't conform.

Bonkers, and harmful (again).
 
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Hopefully the idiot will get their case thrown out of court. It seems to have nothing to do with being trans and everything to do with specific genitals. All they’re doing is making it bad for other trans people.

Shows people like Jordan Peterson were exactly right to resist state compelled recognition of a person's gender self ID in Canada.

Yeah, no. Nothing alike at all.

Peterson was campaigning against the addition of trans into Canadian Human Rights legislation, to put it on par with homosexuality, race and a variety of other things. Provincial legislation covered this already in most places (it’s based on legislation from Ontario, where he lived and worked).

Specifically it related to “advocating genocide, inciting hatred, hate speech or hate crimes” against trans people. Refusing to wax a meat and two veg would not be covered in the slightest, nor would just not calling someone by their preferred pronoun (his favourite claim).

As you’ve brought it up I’m guessing you’re one of his worshipers? I say worshiper because he wanted to start a church devoted to him when he was younger. Seems he’s succeeded.
 
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Many trans people have brain patterns more closely similar to the gender they think they are to the gender they are born with.

That would be impossible, since brain patterns are not sexed. That's just more stereotyping. Also, and I can't repeat this often enough, gender is not sex.

If they want to change why not let them, who is it harming?

Most of them are not changing. That's an important point, I think.

Pretending that sex is gender is harming everyone because it's sexist stereotyping and coerces everyone into conforming to those stereotypes. Modern trans ideology is even more sexist than, for example, upper class Victorian society. The (not very significant) difference is that trans activists will let someone switch from being forced to conform to one set of stereotypes to being forced to conform to the other set, but only once.

No one's forcing you to embrace anything

Don't be silly. Forcing the ideology on everyone is the whole point. You're being dishonest. They're using every available avenue for forcing it on everyone - lying, propaganda, brainwashing children, the force of law. The whole nine yards.

you do you, but if your rude and offensive to someone you have to deal with those consequences.

Advocating sexual equality is not rude. I don't care if sexist bigots are offended and I don't acknowledge the idea of group identity hierarchy that underpins the idea of "offended" as a political weapon.


If someone wants to change sex, I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is people pretending that sex is gender and trying to force everyone to conform to that belief and whatever sexist stereotyping those people are advocating. If, for example, a girl plays with cars that does not mean she's a boy. The degree of sexism that trans ideology advocates is extraordinary even when compared to the utterly sexist ideologies of feminism and the regressive left. No wonder you like it.
 
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Whether or not they should be 'ashamed' the studies are clear.

Children, on average, perform better in a wide range of metrics when teet come from a two parent household.

The expansion of (predominately female) single parent households in the west has thereforerre by been to the detriment of children.

The promotion of the the sort of policies that increasingly enable single parenthood are therefore corrosive to the maintenance of a stable successful state.

Shame may not be a popular tool but it is a relatively effective one, along with other societal factors in curtailing activities and situations not conducive to society as a whole.

And talking about adults changing things to the detriment of children....


Puberty blockers are to be given to 11 year olds in the UK and if you question the assertion that such treatment is reversible (spoiler it isn't) your are of course transphobic.

So very evil people are due a reckoning for the ideologies they have been pushing against women and children.

Where you see promotion most others see the aim of trying to help a family that is already detrimentally affected...
 
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Yeah, no. Nothing alike at all.

I think it's quite a bit alike.

Jordan Petersons initial rise to wider public exposure was due to Bill C16 in Canada (where the Yaniv case is also being heard). The bill could be split into two issues.

1) the issue that the bill, in effect, would compel certain forms of speech.

Which is a drastic departure from law in common law based jurisdictions where generally controls on speech exist to restrict what you can say and where you can say it rather then to compel you to say certain things under threat of legal penalty

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2) that the form the conpelled speech took was to force recognition of self identified gender identity in language used.

For the overwhelming majority of English speakers the words 'woman', 'she', 'her' etc relate to a human females. With the word 'female' denoting a biological woman in this context. (and vice versa for 'man' etc)

So in summary the issue Petersons raised was that the goverment was seeking to enact legislation that would force citizens to affirm an others subjective view of themselves and treat them as per that subjective view.

Which is the same issue in the Yaniv case where he is attempting to force acceptance of his self ID on other's and force them to treat him as a woman (despite all the objective evidence showing the opposite). If others are compelled to accept Yaniv as being a woman they cannot therefore refuse him service on the basis that they don't provide services to men who self ID as women.

Personally I think the tribunal in this particular case will dodge the monster the law has made for itself by ruling that the beauticians could refuse service on the basis that they don't wax penises and testicles (as they don't have the specific training and materials required) rather then the don't provide services to men in general.

Refusing to wax a meat and two veg would not be covered in the slightest, nor would just not calling someone by their preferred pronoun (his favourite claim).

I suggest you stop parading your ignorance...

Here's the relevant section from the Canadian human rights act...

Discriminatory Practices
Marginal note denial of good, service, facility or accommodation

5 It is a discriminatory practice in the provision of goods, services, facilities or accommodation customarily available to the general public

  • (a) to deny, or to deny access to, any such good, service, facility or accommodation to any individual, or

  • (b) to differentiate adversely in relation to any individual,
on a prohibited ground of discrimination.

And Bill C-16 was about adding gender expression to the liat of prohibited grounds...


SUMMARY

This enactment amends the Canadian Human Rights Act to add gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination.

So the law here absolutely does prevent refusal of service based on the part of the beauticians refusing to accept Yaniv's gender identity unless they could show one of the limited exceptions applied.

As above I suspect the tribunal will dodge this one by stating that beauticians can decline service to people with penises and testicles regardless of whether they are 'men' or 'women' . So the basis of the discrimination isn't based on gender ID itself.


As you’ve brought it up I’m guessing you’re one of his worshipers? I say worshiper because he wanted to start a church devoted to him when he was younger. Seems he’s succeeded.

A rather pathetic attempt to discredit some of his views....

I haven't purchased a single one of his books nor sought him out for 'worship'. I disagree with him on some things but he clearly makes some points tht resonate with many.

Watching some YouTube videos and agreeing with some of his opinions is just that....

If you want some misplaced devotion to a cause you are probably better looking at thoose that follow the excesses of current self declared gender ID with a potentially unlimited range of self declared ID's
 
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It's a mental illness. We should be trying to help people rather than encouraging mentally ill/unstable people to make life-altering decisions whilst being strongly affected by their illness.

We wouldn't treat any other illness this way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria

Surgery to amputate limbs has been carried out before, in many countries, obviously after all other therapies have failed.
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria

Surgery to amputate limbs has been carried out before, in many countries, obviously after all other therapies have failed.

I can't find anything to say it's been done to a healthy limb. Only one that has been intentionally damaged.
Its interesting though that it's labelled as a disorder. As in something is mentally wrong.
Yet when someone identifies as a different gender it's fine?
 
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I can't find anything to say it's been done to a healthy limb. Only one that has been intentionally damaged.
Its interesting though that it's labelled as a disorder. As in something is mentally wrong.
Yet when someone identifies as a different gender it's fine?
https://www.nursingtimes.net/roles/...le-to-amputate-a-healthy-limb/5074324.article

It has happened.

In general it happens because there is a risk of the patient attempting to do it themselves, and killing themselves in the process.

Or it is felt that their mental distress outweighs the loss of a healthy part of their body.

But clearly absolutely no-one disputes that it is a mental health issue. It is an absolute last resort intended to prevent (worse) harm, even tho the act itself is clearly physically harmful when considered by a rational person.

With trans people it seems that the same close scrutiny and safeguards are being eroded day by day, such that the procedures are now advocated and promoted. Even to school children.
 
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Except when they are? Often attempting to use anti-discrimination laws to do just that.

Or forcing their way into women's sports. That's harmful.

Or forcing their way into the school curriculum, leading to...

Pressuring young people into having hormone suppression therapy, at an age when they are maximally confused and experiencing rapid change.

Or pressuring gay people into having life-changing surgery they later regret. Extremely harmful and leads to suicide.

Sure, not hurting anyone.

It's a mental illness. We should be trying to help people rather than encouraging mentally ill/unstable people to make life-altering decisions whilst being strongly affected by their illness.

We wouldn't treat any other illness this way.

You wouldn't ask a person with hypothermia if they'd like to take all their clothes off and run around in the snow. Yet sometimes that's what a hypodermic mind thinks it needs.

e: Some more "harm" that's being caused.

-The idea that men can't like doing things that are considered "female" pursuits; the idea that women can't like doing things considered "male" pursuits. The idea that a man must be manly or he's a woman in a man's body.

This is -extremely harmful- pap. This reinforcing of often arbitrary "gender norms" and locking them in with such force that you're actually suggesting you're in the wrong body if you don't conform.

Bonkers, and harmful (again).

All this nonsense is just rehashed homophobic tropes from the 70's and 80's. It was nonsense that the gays were coming to your schools to steal your kids and force them to be gay with drugs then, and it's nonsense now with trans issues.
 
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All this nonsense is just rehashed homophobic tropes from the 70's and 80's. It was nonsense that the gays were coming to your schools to steal your kids and force them to be gay with drugs then, and it's nonsense now with trans issues.
So essentially your argument boils down to burying your head in the sand and ignoring all evidence to the contrary. Gotcha.
 
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All this nonsense is just rehashed homophobic tropes from the 70's and 80's. It was nonsense that the gays were coming to your schools to steal your kids and force them to be gay with drugs then, and it's nonsense now with trans issues.

Quite ironic that this time the kids actually are being given drugs!

too young to (legally) smoke, drink, have sex, get a tatto or drive (amongst other things) but here's some life altering drugs that will render you infertile!

Even the people pushing this cant be to sure what it will mean for the 'test' subjects

'we don’t know the full psychological effects of the blocker or whether it alters the course of adolescent brain development'

and don't forget to tell your Doctor if you start suffering side effects from some of the drugs used....

'Tell your doctor right away if any of these serious side effects occur: new/worsening bone pain (in adults), easily broken bones (in adults), increased thirst/urination (in adults), mental/mood changes (such as depression, thoughts of suicide, mood swings, aggression).'

Perhaps you should stick to your more established forte of threatening to assault anyone you imagine to be a fascist?
 
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It was nonsense that the gays were coming to your schools to steal your kids and force them to be gay with drugs then, and it's nonsense now with trans issues.

It really isn't though. Children are being brainwashed into thinking this crap is normal, and no doubt many of them are now confused about themselves simply because of the biased, far left teachers that are pushing them in that direction.
 
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Do you have any evidence for this?

Don't you know the whole of our educational system is run by far left teachers whose only agenda is to brainwash their students into a marxist/trans/anti-fa lifestyle?

Now, the way all these right whingers managed to avoid such brainwashing was to limit their exposure to the educational system, clever eh? ;)
 

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It really isn't though. Children are being brainwashed into thinking this crap is normal, and no doubt many of them are now confused about themselves simply because of the biased, far left teachers that are pushing them in that direction.

I am far too busy with lesson planning, marking and teaching course content to have time to brainwash any kids...
 
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Once again, the middle ground is always the sensible way.

It is important to promote awareness of different genders and sexuality at school. This is because genders and sexualities that are less common do face unfair abuse and discrimination. The view of society needs to change so that ‘not normal’ becomes ‘not common’. On the other hand, care is needed to ensure that a confusing topic does not become even more confusing by the abundance of inadvertent mixed messaging.

As for the news story at hand, it does seem sensible that a job that involves intimate contact with another should allow the ‘waxor’ some discretion over the ‘waxees’. Of course, political scrutiny is what you are going to have to suck up if you choose not to treat person X, Y or Z.
 
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