6 Year old boy thrown 5 floors from Tate Modern Museum in London by 17 year old boy

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I'll try and explain again. Cos clearly you need it. You used an idiom to state that the carers in this situation are incompetent, inexperienced buffoons 'monkeys' as it were because they're poorly paid. You literally did that. You then tried to deny that you'd assumed they were by saying I was putting words in your mouth. No. You put the words here on the page. You literally wrote them.

Backtracking I see... Because what you said was...
You literally said they were monkeys.
Which I didn't. That is what you were trying to put in my mouth. Along with "you're assuming they're not", which again I never said.

What I said was, if the job was paid more, they might get better people at doing the job.
 
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Lol, special forces experience?! What planet are you on?

It was obviously an hyperbolic statement, what is wrong with you?

I'm not putting words in your mouth at all. You literally said they were monkeys. What qualifications would make someone better at the job of 'watching'?

It seems that whoever was in charge of that lad was watching him, watching him throw a child off a balcony.
 
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It's been theorised that he is likely to have live-in carers and possibly left the house without them.

@Thecaferacer seems to have a bit of knowledge about how the system works though and did also say that it's not a prison and if they are well enough, then they are let out in their own with a curfew time so it could be that his carers aren't really to blame at all.

I'm sure it'll all come out.
 
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They might not be guards but surely they (or rather the organisation they work for) is still potentially liable here. If he’s escaped the facility or two people looking after him when outside given they know he’s violent and a danger then that, even with limited info, does seem to indicate some negligence regardless of any overall issues with funding or the mental heath system in general.

If he was in the community and there wasn’t sufficient funding to adequately monitor him and others like him etc... then sure perhaps more blame on the government too. However it sounds like this guy was a clear danger and already supposed to be watched closely.

Again, these facilities they are housed are literally just 2 up 2 down houses. There is no process in place to have them locked up and under 24 hour watch unless they have actually committed a crime, by which they'll be sent to a psychiatric detention centre. It's basically live in care rather than detention.

it's possible he was under section and on supervised day release. But my experience is that this is rare.

In a majority of cases the carers won't even have any power to detain the person if they run off and have to resort to reporting them to police as a missing person.

It's a similar situation in the larger children's homes housing problem kids. Unless they are under some kind of section the doors aren't locked and they come and go as they please.

I once had to review a case of a schizophrenic who murdered his mother to assess if the local mental health services were negligent. I was shocked at how laissez faire the mental health workers were with somebody who was very vocal about not wanting to take his medication, openly expressed fantasies of murder and was solo living in the community.

The response I got to from the trust, when I asked why on earth he hasn't been sectioned, was "it's not against the law to be mad and he hadn't done anything like this before"
 
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TBF my mother in law fosters kids, the lack of authority that anybody has over them when they decide to walk out of school or disappear over night is very frustrating.

There's no way (although I have no time for her myself) that I could try and pin the blame on her if a kid in her care did something. She's doing her best with severe restrictions in place.
 
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Again, these facilities they are housed are literally just 2 up 2 down houses. There is no process in place to have them locked up and under 24 hour watch unless they have actually committed a crime, by which they'll be sent to a psychiatric detention centre. It's basically live in care rather than detention.

it's possible he was under section and on supervised day release. But my experience is that this is rare.

But that is what the source seems to be saying no? That he was known to be violent and was supposed to be accompanied by two carers.
The source indicated he was known to be aggressively and violent and claimed he was only to be escorted by 2 people, if that is rare then does that not indicate that he probably has committed a crime.

I’m not sure what your point is in mentioning that it is rare? Are you contradicting what had been reported so far and saying that based on your experience you doubt it?

If so then fair enough, I’m simply basing an opinion on what has been reported. And that is that if what has been reported is true then it sounds like they’ve been negligent and if anyone is to be held liable then it is the organisation providing his care.
 
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