Notting Hill Carnival
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Man of Honour
No why is the video I commented on a fake? do you think if you dry-humped/twerked up against on duty female police officers anywhere else they'd just laugh it off and ignore you? then why is it acceptable at the Notting Hill Carnival? the law of the land doesn't just change when you enter a street party. The same goes for the lewd sexual acts "between consenting adults" if you did that with your partner in the average street you'd be hit with some kind of public order offence because it's indecent behaviour doing it in public view of children.
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As the saying goes "there are two sides to every story"
No different from when you see photos of posh people at Cheltenham races and the skanks on the other side of the field drunk, while squatting on the floor taking a pee.
I actually quite look forward to seeing all the pictures of people dressed up to look fancy but acting like cretins. It's a lovely visual oxymoron.
Man of Honour
I never said it was fake. Your views in this thread sounded like someone who's never been to it so I thought I'd ask before assuming.
Of course the law doesn't change but large crowds are dealt with differently to individuals/small groups. Ultimately no different to the way police handle football/sports fans in large groups, they get away with all sorts that wouldn't fly if it was just a small group randomly walking down a street.
They do fence off some areas to keep the crowd relatively contained, but it's a pretty open event. No tickets or anything like that, you literally just head to west London and follow the music and crowds.
Caporegime
Same. It tickles that special place inside. Like when you see a monkey in a suit. Utterly immature but still pleasing.
Caporegime
So where's the limit? Sexual assault is now OK but...what about rape? Punching a random in the face? Stabbing someone as long as they don't die?
Rather ironically you clearly have little experience of some football policing in the UK......
People have been arrested, charged, convicted, fined up to £2,500 and banned from attending football stadiums for 'crimes' as minor as having a can of alcohol on their person in view of a football game.
Football fans are contained and detained and generally policed by the state in ways that would have civil liberties people shrieking about human right and kettling if only the people being subjected to the treatment were generally more in favour with the progressive stack.
Here's some recent arrests and sentencing.....
The first defendant appearing in court was 21-year-old Harry Eccles.
Linda Baker, prosecuting, said in the 88th minute of the game Manchester City striker Sergio Aguero scored a goal - sealing the visitors' dramatic comeback win - in front of the away fans in the stadium's North Stand. Swansea had been 2-0 up.
As the City players celebrated Eccles come out of the stand, and joined the on-field celebration.
The court heard Eccles was escorted off the pitch by stewards but due to a mix-up was not immediately ejected from the ground - rather he was allowed to return to the stand.
The prosecutor said Eccles was later pointed out to police, and was arrested.
She applied for a football banning order to be imposed.
Eccles, of St Hilary's Drive, Deganwy, Conwy, pleaded guilty to going into the playing area at a football match - contrary to the Football (Offences) Act 1991 - when he appeared before deputy district judge Simon Morgan.
Lee Davies, for Eccles, said the defendant had been due to start a job as a control room operator with North Wales Police at the time of the match, and following his arrest in Swansea had resigned from the role.
He said Eccles, whose father is a retired policeman, had apologised to stewards at the game for the incident, and he said the whole experience had been a "salutary lesson" for the youngster.
Opposing the banning order, the solicitor characterised the incident as one of "over exuberance and stupidity" rather than violence or disorder.
Deputy district judge Morgan sentenced Eccles to an 18-month conditional discharge, and ordered him to pay £85 towards prosecution costs.
Turning to the banning order, he said he had read a reference from the defendant's local Manchester City supporters club which described him as a passionate football fan but one who was honest and considerate, and whose previous behaviour had not caused any concern.
He said before he made a football banning order he had to satisfied there were reasonable grounds for believing such an order would avoid disorder or violence at games - and that the present application did not meet that test.
The judge refused the application.
The next defendant before the court was 18-year-old Ellis Bottomley.
The court heard Bottomley became involved in an altercation with stewards when he tried to take a pint of lager from the bar to his seat in the North Stand.
Ms Baker said a nearby police officer intervened in the argument, and escorted the teenager out of stand and into the away fans compound.
The prosecutor said Baker was "unsteady on his feet", swearing at the officer, and initially refused to give his name. He was warned about his behaviour but continued to swear at the PC, and was eventually arrested.
A football banning order was requested.
Bottomley, of Raymond Street, Swinton, Salford, pleaded guilty to a section five public order offence.
Solicitor Mr Davies, for Bottomley, said the warehouseman knew he wasn't allowed to take alcohol into the stand but had been drunk at the time.
Opposing the banning order, he said his client had been "awkward and used choice language" but had not been violent.
Bottomley was fined £200, and was ordered to pay £85 costs and a £30 victim surcharge.
Turning to the banning order, the deputy district judge said stewards and police officers were at matches to ensure order and safety, and he said disorder could spread through a crowd "like a Mexican wave" if it went unchecked.
He imposed a three-year football banning order.
The third Manchester City fan appearing in court was 32-year-old Joseph Eaton.
The prosecutor said Eaton was ejected from the Liberty Stadium because of his behaviour - though she said she did not have details of what that behaviour was in her file, and could not give the court any more details.
She said a policeman on duty at the match saw what was happening and went to assist the stewards.
The court heard Eaton was "actively resisting" the stewards, and was being "aggressive and abusive" towards them.
Ms Baker said the officer put himself between Eaton and the stewards, and took hold of the defendant - the defendant turned his abusive language towards the PC, and was arrested.
The prosecutor asked for football banning order to be made.
Eaton, of Portrush Road, Wythenshawe, Manchester, pleaded guilty to a section five public order offence.
The digital marketing manager was fined £200, and was ordered to pay £85 costs and a £30 victim surcharge.
John Allchurch, for Eaton, said his client would not oppose the football banning order application, and a three-year order was granted.
The fourth defendant before the court was Andrew Peckitt.
The prosecutor said during the match a police officer on duty in the North Stand saw a "large amount of blue smoke" in the area, and stewards were able to identify the source as Peckitt.
The 53-year-old was escorted from his seat by stewards, and subsequently arrested.
The court heard that at Swansea Central police station the part-time gardener made an unsolicited comment to officers that smoke bombs were not harmful and "add to the atmosphere" of a game.
Again the prosecutor applied for a football banning order.
Peckitt, of Grove Lane, Timperley, Altrincham, Greater Manchester, pleaded guilty to possessing a firework or flare at a sporting event contrary to Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc) Act 1985.
Solicitor Mr Allchurch, for Peckitt, said it had been the defendant's son who had taken the smoke bomb into the stadium.
He said shortly before the final whistle Peckitt had been handed the device and had "stupidly" pulled the cord to activate it.
The solicitor said his client had been a football fan for more than 40 years, and had no previous football-related offences on his record.
The deputy district judge said setting off a smoke bomb in a confined space could have caused distress to those in the vicinity, and posed a risk to others.
Peckitt was given a 12-month community order with 100 hours of unpaid work, he was ordered to pay £85 towards prosecution costs and an £85 victim surcharge, and was made the subject of a three-year football banning order.
The final defendant was Matthew William Swan.
The court heard the 28-year-old had left the stadium to go to the toilet, and was then refused re-entry. He was arrested after urinating on a wall.
Swan, of Cumberland Drive, Bowdon, Trafford, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly.
The prosecutor said earlier in the day Swan had been throwing bottles - but had not been charged over that behaviour.
The district judge said he was not prepared to sentence without more information, and matters were adjourned to May 14. Swan was released on bail.
Linda Baker, prosecuting, said in the 88th minute of the game Manchester City striker Sergio Aguero scored a goal - sealing the visitors' dramatic comeback win - in front of the away fans in the stadium's North Stand. Swansea had been 2-0 up.
As the City players celebrated Eccles come out of the stand, and joined the on-field celebration.
The court heard Eccles was escorted off the pitch by stewards but due to a mix-up was not immediately ejected from the ground - rather he was allowed to return to the stand.
The prosecutor said Eccles was later pointed out to police, and was arrested.
She applied for a football banning order to be imposed.
Eccles, of St Hilary's Drive, Deganwy, Conwy, pleaded guilty to going into the playing area at a football match - contrary to the Football (Offences) Act 1991 - when he appeared before deputy district judge Simon Morgan.
Lee Davies, for Eccles, said the defendant had been due to start a job as a control room operator with North Wales Police at the time of the match, and following his arrest in Swansea had resigned from the role.
He said Eccles, whose father is a retired policeman, had apologised to stewards at the game for the incident, and he said the whole experience had been a "salutary lesson" for the youngster.
Opposing the banning order, the solicitor characterised the incident as one of "over exuberance and stupidity" rather than violence or disorder.
Deputy district judge Morgan sentenced Eccles to an 18-month conditional discharge, and ordered him to pay £85 towards prosecution costs.
Turning to the banning order, he said he had read a reference from the defendant's local Manchester City supporters club which described him as a passionate football fan but one who was honest and considerate, and whose previous behaviour had not caused any concern.
He said before he made a football banning order he had to satisfied there were reasonable grounds for believing such an order would avoid disorder or violence at games - and that the present application did not meet that test.
The judge refused the application.
The next defendant before the court was 18-year-old Ellis Bottomley.
The court heard Bottomley became involved in an altercation with stewards when he tried to take a pint of lager from the bar to his seat in the North Stand.
Ms Baker said a nearby police officer intervened in the argument, and escorted the teenager out of stand and into the away fans compound.
The prosecutor said Baker was "unsteady on his feet", swearing at the officer, and initially refused to give his name. He was warned about his behaviour but continued to swear at the PC, and was eventually arrested.
A football banning order was requested.
Bottomley, of Raymond Street, Swinton, Salford, pleaded guilty to a section five public order offence.
Solicitor Mr Davies, for Bottomley, said the warehouseman knew he wasn't allowed to take alcohol into the stand but had been drunk at the time.
Opposing the banning order, he said his client had been "awkward and used choice language" but had not been violent.
Bottomley was fined £200, and was ordered to pay £85 costs and a £30 victim surcharge.
Turning to the banning order, the deputy district judge said stewards and police officers were at matches to ensure order and safety, and he said disorder could spread through a crowd "like a Mexican wave" if it went unchecked.
He imposed a three-year football banning order.
The third Manchester City fan appearing in court was 32-year-old Joseph Eaton.
The prosecutor said Eaton was ejected from the Liberty Stadium because of his behaviour - though she said she did not have details of what that behaviour was in her file, and could not give the court any more details.
She said a policeman on duty at the match saw what was happening and went to assist the stewards.
The court heard Eaton was "actively resisting" the stewards, and was being "aggressive and abusive" towards them.
Ms Baker said the officer put himself between Eaton and the stewards, and took hold of the defendant - the defendant turned his abusive language towards the PC, and was arrested.
The prosecutor asked for football banning order to be made.
Eaton, of Portrush Road, Wythenshawe, Manchester, pleaded guilty to a section five public order offence.
The digital marketing manager was fined £200, and was ordered to pay £85 costs and a £30 victim surcharge.
John Allchurch, for Eaton, said his client would not oppose the football banning order application, and a three-year order was granted.
The fourth defendant before the court was Andrew Peckitt.
The prosecutor said during the match a police officer on duty in the North Stand saw a "large amount of blue smoke" in the area, and stewards were able to identify the source as Peckitt.
The 53-year-old was escorted from his seat by stewards, and subsequently arrested.
The court heard that at Swansea Central police station the part-time gardener made an unsolicited comment to officers that smoke bombs were not harmful and "add to the atmosphere" of a game.
Again the prosecutor applied for a football banning order.
Peckitt, of Grove Lane, Timperley, Altrincham, Greater Manchester, pleaded guilty to possessing a firework or flare at a sporting event contrary to Sporting Events (Control of Alcohol etc) Act 1985.
Solicitor Mr Allchurch, for Peckitt, said it had been the defendant's son who had taken the smoke bomb into the stadium.
He said shortly before the final whistle Peckitt had been handed the device and had "stupidly" pulled the cord to activate it.
The solicitor said his client had been a football fan for more than 40 years, and had no previous football-related offences on his record.
The deputy district judge said setting off a smoke bomb in a confined space could have caused distress to those in the vicinity, and posed a risk to others.
Peckitt was given a 12-month community order with 100 hours of unpaid work, he was ordered to pay £85 towards prosecution costs and an £85 victim surcharge, and was made the subject of a three-year football banning order.
The final defendant was Matthew William Swan.
The court heard the 28-year-old had left the stadium to go to the toilet, and was then refused re-entry. He was arrested after urinating on a wall.
Swan, of Cumberland Drive, Bowdon, Trafford, pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly.
The prosecutor said earlier in the day Swan had been throwing bottles - but had not been charged over that behaviour.
The district judge said he was not prepared to sentence without more information, and matters were adjourned to May 14. Swan was released on bail.
I am not suggesting that football policing is necessarily wrong - its understandable given the history of football related disorder that the police, CPS and courts take a hard stance....
….. but its risible to use football games as an example where people 'get away' with behaviour they would not get away with elsewhere....
Quite to the contrary.. minor offences that would normally result in a verbal warning, a penalty notice or even a simple caution (if admitted) are routinely charged when it comes to football games as a matter of official policy.
And this can be compared to the Notting Hill carnival where one 'stakeholder' group in 2016 listed one of the positives of the management of the carnival being the police ignoring 'low priority' crime including some offences linked to alcohol.
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Man of Honour
Pareidolia is great, even the bin bag has a faint grimace.
More cellulite than Texas in that photo
But but but some people got arrested for smoking a spliff at Glasto and some posh people did some coke in the bogs at Ascot - therefore it's all the same, nothing to see here, totally the same as the gangs looking to shank each other or just go steaming/run through the crowd and rob people etc....
Plus there are security arches at the Albert hall, they shouldn't call them "knife arches" at (the) Carnival - it is just stigmatising a black event, doesn't matter if the security precautions at the Albert Hall are more geared towards preventing terrorism rather than preventing the audience from killing each other.
Plus there are security arches at the Albert hall, they shouldn't call them "knife arches" at (the) Carnival - it is just stigmatising a black event, doesn't matter if the security precautions at the Albert Hall are more geared towards preventing terrorism rather than preventing the audience from killing each other.
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It should be moved to the environs of Glasgow University. 
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Tbf, I was more interested in 'I'll update more soon as I find some good ones to share.' @CREATIVE!11 Fairly tame stuff, old bean.
What is the obsession with the demonisation of the ‘left’! Anything that is construed to be bad is somehow a product of ‘left’. It’s like they are this hateful, illuminati-esque group that will not stop until everything is miserable.
And the left really hate you.
In respect of the first post, I consider myself left-centre and I’m pretty sure that everyone I know, some more left leaning than others, would all consider the guy in the second video in the OP a nob. I said he was a nob in my earlier post in the thread. As to whether or not there was any racism.... go watch the C4 show Hate Thy Neighbour and see what the EDL “get away with” swearing and screaming in public in the face of police, without any arrests. There is a huge amount of proportionality as to whether someone is arrested or not. Ultimately, is it worth it in the context of what the police are trying to achieve in that moment. And even if there was racism (presumably by the police women that was purportedly being assaulted...
) what makes it ‘left wing racism’? Is it not just.... ‘racism’?In respect of the second post... I mean; someone posting news links to fun at the carnival and saying it’s a family event is a ‘lefty bot’?
Ooo you guys have me rattled
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Is it Bolton?
Caporegime
@Nitefly read his post again. Have you ever come across anything that bears so much rebalance to a North Korean soundbite?
It's like it's written as a piece of propaganda.
It's like it's written as a piece of propaganda.
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If you enjoy the smell of weed and **** whilst stepping over passed out people in the middle of the road then it’s the place to go.
Every chav and criminal worm their way out from the cracks of London and head there every year. It’s clear as day, mostly tourists and scumbags.
Every chav and criminal worm their way out from the cracks of London and head there every year. It’s clear as day, mostly tourists and scumbags.