Buying house with reported rising damp?

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Funny how things change after 2 years. I didn't buy this particular house, I ended up buying something bigger a bit off the beaten track with an acre of land.

I'm also now getting divorced and living with my parents :o

I recently drove by this house though and it was lined with sand bags so I guess the problem got worse!
 
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Aware this is an old post but we are buying a 1930s house. We had the home buyers report which was horrendous like 38 pages. Our mortgage provider then asked for further inspection of the electrics and damp. We have been quoted £5500 for the electrics as they are deemed unsafe and needs a whole rewire..and 2800 for rising damp which the orginal homebuyers report highlighted that is was most likely penetrating damp...im a first time buyer so a little overwhelmed as ive heard that the lender can retain some of the mortgage untill the issues are fixed.
 
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Aware this is an old post but we are buying a 1930s house. We had the home buyers report which was horrendous like 38 pages. Our mortgage provider then asked for further inspection of the electrics and damp. We have been quoted £5500 for the electrics as they are deemed unsafe and needs a whole rewire..and 2800 for rising damp which the orginal homebuyers report highlighted that is was most likely penetrating damp...im a first time buyer so a little overwhelmed as ive heard that the lender can retain some of the mortgage untill the issues are fixed.


rising damp is a load of crap most of the time. Its normally penetrating damp (has cavity wall insulation been done?) or condensation due to sealing up the room to make it more energy efficient and in doing so restricting ventilation or using gypsum plaster where lime was previously used.

https://www.heritage-house.org/damp-and-condensation/the-fraud-of-rising-damp.html

read that and the damp info on the site, fantastic resource.
 
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Yeah ive read stuff like that but my partner doesnt want to fork out 500 for an independent damp specialist because hes worried that he will just say the same and we will be an extra 500 down.
 
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throw it back to the seller to sort?

Don't let them chemical inject it whatever you do.

Armed with the information from reading that site can you not go round yourself and see if you can diagnose the source? could always negotiate a price reduction and then sort the issue yourself.
 
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They have said it needs injections and the render cutting up above dpl... it might be a good thing if the mortgage lender retains some of the mortgage...because then we can just say they wont give us the full amount to the seller..and no way are we going to be able to afford the retention and the money for the works to be done...apparently they said there where signs that its had chemical injections in the past and they wont to do them areas again because that is where the damp is showing apparently...
 
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chemical injection is the biggest con going. You're just adding more liquid to a damp area, it does nothing but damages the bricks where all the drilling is done.
Definitely remove the render.

Are you planning on stripping the house before you move in? A rewire will make a mess as all the wires will need chasing out, plus you'll probably want a lot more plug sockets putting in if you're going to that trouble to begin with?
 
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Its an old house and its been empty for 2 years its a probate property. We are going to get the works done before we move in.

I keep telling my partner that we need an independant damp specialist because ive read about injections being a con and i think once the render is cut back we wont need the injections and they have just added them on.
 
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The paper is peeling off the walls in places and there is a musty smell but no visable mold which i would have thought it would be covered in with "rising damp" on a unoccupied house for 2 years
 
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If it's been empty for two years there is another reason it's damp, no heating being used to keep moisture at bay! No warm circulating air to vent the moisture.

I found it extremely difficult to find anyone who I'd trust to do an independant damp survey, they all seemed to come from the same camp that the damp industry produces - talking out of their hole about the need for chemical DPC's and rising damp.

I wonder what state the gutters are on that house and the roof? water running down a wall will cause all sorts of problems that can simply be sorted by fixing a leaking gutter or broken tile. Render traps moisture inside the brickwork which will blow the plaster & wallpaper, cavity wall insulation can allow moisture on the colder outer wall to breach the cavity and cause damp on the inner wall.

I know i keep coming back to that heritage house website but you can learn a hell of a lot from there, pete also has a youtube channel which is a wealth of knowledge, well worth checking it out!
 
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They have said it needs injections and the render cutting up above dpl... it might be a good thing if the mortgage lender retains some of the mortgage...because then we can just say they wont give us the full amount to the seller..and no way are we going to be able to afford the retention and the money for the works to be done...apparently they said there where signs that its had chemical injections in the past and they wont to do them areas again because that is where the damp is showing apparently...
Render? It has render?

Do you know what the construction is under the render? Is it stone with lime mortar? Or bricks with lime mortar? Lime is breathable. After WW2 there was a fad of rendering every house with concrete. Concrete is not breathable. If you have lime mortar based external walls wrapped in concrete render any water in the walls will not be able to get out of the concrete and as such will 'get out' inside the house (this is penetrating damp and you'll eventually see wet patches on your internal walls). If you see a really old house with render make sure the render is made out of lime or avoid it. If it's concrete render over lime mortar really the best solution is to take the render off, which considering the age of the house would mean that a lot of the bricks underneath would get damaged in the process, especially if they're damp. This could potentially be very expensive to put right.

Rising damp is a con.

Old houses suffer problems with damp nowadays because we 'modernise' them. Old houses originally had drafty windows and drafty doors and had a chimney with a fire going in the middle of the house. So all the cold air would be drawn in through the windows and doors and pulled up through the chimney causing really good ventilation and no damp problems. Any water from the ground or from rain hitting the side of the house would leave the walls due to lime being very breathable and the choice for pointing in those days.

If you then whack a load of concrete render over the walls, put well fitted doors and double glazing on your windows and block up the chimney. You've now got no airflow. Old houses need good ventilation in the bathrooms + kitchen and if you dry laundry indoors in the room you dry your laundry too. On top of that, leave the exterior walls 'naked', or if you insist on putting render over it, insist that it's a lime based render so the walls can breath.

Externally make sure that the ground level at the edge of the property is below the damp proof course. Old houses have a slate layer, some have air bricks and a suspended floor (victorian) make sure any soil/gravel etc is not higher than this. On top of this ensure your gutters and drains aren't leaking.

Good luck.
 
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What would you do in this situation, the survey has reported some damp issues on a house I'm buying and a separate damp report has reported failure of the DPC and quoted £1600 to rectify. There's another problem with the chimney which needs repointing and new lead flashing. So in total I'm looking at about £2500 to get the repairs done.

At the moment I'm insisting that the current owners get the problem fixed as I'm concerned that when the damp proofing work goes ahead and they strip the walls back and look at the joists that they are going to find rot or other problems.

The current owners are saying they have no money left but I don't see why I should be footing the bill and I'd be much happier if the work was done before exchange in case there is any rot or damage to the joists.

I'm thinking as a compromise I could sort the chimney once moved in but they need to get the damp sorted. Would you agree or should they be paying the lot? The sale price is £700k so really £2500 shouldn't even be worth arguing about.

If you have that sort of money to afford a property of that value I really wouldn’t ask them to rectify it, all you can do is negotiate a better deal on the property and use the savings to pay for the work or just fork out yourself, being a builder myself I would be too worried getting them to do it because I’ve seen many slap dash quick fix jobs been done to customers just to hide the true problem, pay yourself and get someone you trust in to do a quality job, leave it to them and a year or so down the line you may be in a worse situation.
Chimney repair is straight forward no complications other than the odd broken tile while doing the repairs.
 
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@_tucker_ the original post is from 2015

@Kerry Hardman a lot of good advice above. I would go back to the sellers at this point armed with your report and request a reduction in the sale price to the tune of total costs. If they are being difficult/ won't reduce asking price then walk away and save yourself the extra fees required for further inspection etc..
 
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Taking them at their word, if they can't afford £2500 it'd make me wonder if they've kept the house in good repair generally. As above, the other option is to ask them to reduce the house value by £10k due to "additional risks" (other repairs that might be required).
If they just don't want to do it then they should say so. Otherwise they're being dishonest.
Surveys are a pita though. I own an flat in a chapel conversion (built circa 1825). Surveys find damp problems in the walls (when I remortgaged it to BTL). Experts in old buildings we've commissioned to check the building says it's normal. The walls need to breathe, absorbing and releasing moisture too, but you have to manage condensation in older buildings. The chapel has sold walls, no cavity. I'm dreading selling it.

Good luck with purchase. If it were me I think I'd be looking elsewhere unless some agreement is made about repairing unless it really does tick all/most boxes for you. £700k is not eactly small change. On such a house I'd be expecting to spend a few grand a year easily on maintenance hence why I don't agree with what the sellers have said unless they really did foolishly buy a house they can't afford?
 
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