Misgendering? Sam Smith is now they or them, not he or him?!

CREATIVE!11 · 14 Sep 2019 at 14:07

I don't care. I'll still call you he/him and tell you to grow up.

Absolute weirdos. I hate the fact this retarded regressive nonsense is infecting the UK fresh out of America. I'm absolutely happy to call a trans person he/her or whatever....

Pawnless Endgame · 14 Sep 2019 at 14:59

Nasher said:
But people will still introduce him as Mr?

I think non-binary tend to use Mx for their title. That's going by one of the regular customers from my previous workplace.

It doesn't bother me personally, but I know it's going to cause confusion with letters, medical, legal, passports etc, and they'll need to be aware of this and that it's their prerogative.

adam cool dude · 14 Sep 2019 at 15:33

If I spotted him in the street I would say he/him. I would be equally annoyed if they addressed me as it/they etc but I wouldn't make a fuss out of it. We had a transgender at work for a few months and it was very difficult as their manager. I kept putting my foot in it as my brain has been trained to respond to female/male for the past 33 years. Kept calling him m8 all the time! In the end I just ended up avoiding him as much as possible. What was even more weird is he had a girlfriend but identified as a lesbian. It's quite sad really as these people need medical help and I did feel sorry for him as you could see his life wasn't easy.

Drumroll · 14 Sep 2019 at 15:39

The segregation they/them are pushing is more harmful than anyone could even imagine. The long term will be only worst. Short sighted.
The fact that most of the related events are on media is mainly attention seeking, than anything else.
I don't remember years ago, when as a kid, my parents saying: don't speak with that person because he/she is gay. Don't listen to that song because the singer is gay. Don't go in this restaurant because they're vegan.
Live and let live.
Back home I would be classified as white, but in UK, mixed race. Should I force every single soul to accept me as white?

Hagar · 14 Sep 2019 at 15:53

The artist formerly known as...

Sounds a bit like a career reboot to me.

Similarly with Lily Allen, never knowingly overpublicised.

Broken Hope · 14 Sep 2019 at 15:54

When did gender and pronouns become such a massive thing anyway? I’m 36 and it’s only the last 10-15 years that this seems to be such a hot topic.

Stretch · 14 Sep 2019 at 15:56

explicit4u said:
It can (and has been for a while) be used as a singular pronoun too

It still makes very little sense when used in this context.

malachi · 14 Sep 2019 at 16:10

Broken Hope said:
When did gender and pronouns become such a massive thing anyway? I’m 36 and it’s only the last 10-15 years that this seems to be such a hot topic.

Latest craze the UK is adopting from the US. It be something else in a few years.

V F · 14 Sep 2019 at 16:26

TheOracle said:
Remember it's 2019

...and? Next year it'll be 2020.

SexyGreyFox · 14 Sep 2019 at 16:33

Pawnless Endgame said:
It doesn't bother me personally, but I know it's going to cause confusion with letters, medical, legal, passports etc,

I know you worked at County where they use an Incident reporting system called DATIX. I leaned over to one of the DATIX Admin team members and jokingly told them off for using the word Gender with only two options on the form - male or female. Somebody will complain.

adam cool dude said:
What was even more weird is he had a girlfriend but identified as a lesbian

My recently departed drummer also identified as lesbian.
Her long term girlfriend left her because she couldn't cope with a hairy man turning into a beautiful woman and now she has found another girlfriend.
The bit I don't get is that if the other girl is a lesbian which I was told she is, then what about the thing between the legs!

Nitefly · 14 Sep 2019 at 16:34

If someone wanted me to call them ‘they’, then I would find it a bit odd, grammatically and otherwise, but I would oblige. It does me no harm.

The same person certainly couldn’t get legitimately upset with anyone who used ‘he/she’ in error, since that is the common language used.

Perhaps they could be annoyed by someone that bullishly said ‘no I will call you what I want and your preferences are stupid’.

All mutual respect, really. Not difficult.

Skidder · 14 Sep 2019 at 16:56

I don't understand the use of a plural pronoun for a singular person.

Nasher · 14 Sep 2019 at 17:36

SexyGreyFox said:
I know you worked at County where they use an Incident reporting system called DATIX. I leaned over to one of the DATIX Admin team members and jokingly told them off for using the word Gender with only two options on the form - male or female. Somebody will complain.

So what if they complain. There ARE only 2 sexes/genders until someone can prove otherwise using science.

200sols · 14 Sep 2019 at 17:38

He is a man and I would address him as such.

Thecaferacer · 14 Sep 2019 at 18:05

So can they be non-binary and gay since they are now not assigned as a man?

Are they going to have have to exclude themself from all gendered music awards categories

If they are trying to artificially alter the English language to massage their ego then I expect them to buy into it 100%

Just edited my post and realised it looks like I'm taking about a group

Skillmister · 14 Sep 2019 at 18:27

Did he non-binarify his gentleman sausage?

Nasher · 14 Sep 2019 at 18:29

Thecaferacer said:
So can they be non-binary and gay since they are now not assigned as a man?

Are they going to have have to exclude themself from all gendered music awards categories

If they are trying to artificially alter the English language to massage their ego then I expect them to buy into it 100%

Just edited my post and realised it looks like I'm taking about a group

Yep no male or female awards

Also I wonder what they put down on things like insurance. I bet they won't play along.

Geodude97AD · 14 Sep 2019 at 18:42

I believe people can identify to what every they like and I have no issue with them what so ever. I only recognize male or female, anyone that identifies other side of that are gay, so Sam is a gay male.

FoxEye · 14 Sep 2019 at 19:20

Terminal_Boy said:
Is there more than one of him? They/them is plural.

Not strictly speaking true.

Assuming you don't know the gender of a single person, they/them makes perfect sense.

"We have another guest arriving at noon. If they need a drink direct them to the bar."

200sols · 14 Sep 2019 at 20:00

FoxEye said:
Not strictly speaking true.

Assuming you don't know the gender of a single person, they/them makes perfect sense.

"We have another guest arriving at noon. If they need a drink direct them to the bar."

Context. We do know his gender, he has nads.