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But here's all this.

We'll see.

How many robbery victims end up getting shot in the back?

It’s not uncommon.

A 24-year-old University of Missouri-Kansas City student from India was fatally shot in the back as he ran from a would-be robber at the restaurant where he worked, a man working at the restaurant said Saturday.

(Source).

Assange pretty much confirmed he was the leaker

…but never provided any evidence, and we know he was lying.

’Conspiracy theory about slain DNC staffer was planted by Russian intelligence, report finds.’

’Mueller report sheds new light on how the Russians hacked the DNC and the Clinton campaign.’

See also my previous post here.

Wikileaks is supposed to be famous for protecting its sources, so even if Assange was telling the truth, it would mean he was breaking his own code of conduct.

Wikileaks put up a reward for conviction of his murder

That’s exactly what I’d do if I wanted to support a conspiracy theory I knew to be false.

Shot twice in the back at 4am, supposed robbery, nothing taken

Not uncommon. Many attempted robberies fail for various reasons, including the assailant being disturbed by a member of the public, or fleeing after he realises he’s killed someone.

DNC refused to hand over the server to the FBI or DoJ

They were never asked to hand over a server, and it wasn’t just one server, it was 140 servers. The DNC offered to have them scrutinised by an independent firm (a common practice). The FBI agreed, and took all the information they needed. Neither the FBI nor the DoJ have ever alleged that the DNC did anything wrong here.

Somehow a private company was allowed to investigate, allowed to do the redactions, and claimed the redacted parts were not relevant to the investigation.

Again, this is common practice with investigations of that nature.

And we're all just supposed to believe them because "Crowdstrike said so"

False. We can believe them because Crowdstrike gave images of the DNC servers to the FBI.

The FBI never looked into it.

False.

FBI van got 'broken into' that night and two FBI guns happened to disappear that night

Which van? Where? When? Relevance?

Former top intelligence officers, including NSA specialists (Bill Binney being one) show that forensics on the transfer speeds (22.7 MB per second from an ISP in 2016) make it highly unlikely that it was a remote hack. The speeds are more consistent with flash media devices, like a USB thumbdrive

This has already been debunked.

NSA Has 32 Pages of Communications Between Seth Rich and Julian Assange as revealed by FOIA request

Do they? Show me those pages, please. All 32 of them. If they even exist, do they contain proof that he leaked DNC info to Assange? I’m guessing the answer is no!

The lead investigator for the DC police happened to be Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's brother

Relevance?

Why did Brazile write "she was haunted by the still-unsolved murder of DNC data staffer Seth Rich and feared for her own life, shutting the blinds to her office window so snipers could not see her and installing surveillance cameras at her home." if it was just a robbery?

She gives three reasons:

• ‘With all I knew now about the Russians’ hacking, I could not help but wonder if they had played some part in his unsolved murder.’
• ‘Racial tensions were high that summer and I worried that he was murdered for being white on the wrong side of town.’
• She was concerned that Rich had been murdered by ‘someone who had it out for the Democrats.’

You'd know this if you'd actually read what she wrote, instead of blindly copying stuff from conspiracy pages.

Seth Rich was conscious and breathing when officers were at the scene

Relevance? Also, this doesn’t really sound like a professional assassination, does it? Two shots in the back, and he was still alive. That’s the work of a random opportunistic criminal, not someone who is literally paid to kill people.

Doctor working at the hospital Seth Rich was taken to on a guestlist for a Podesta fundraiser.

Evidence please. Nobody knows which hospital Seth Rich was treated at. That’s not public knowledge.

His wife Lisa Kountoupes is a friend of Podesta, Clinton admin veteran, also lobbied for them. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/14833. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26634

Relevance?

They also have Uranium One connections

What connections? Also, relevance?

According to Ed Butowsky, an acquaintance of the family, in his discussions with Joel and Mary Rich, they confirmed that their son transmitted the DNC emails to Wikileaks.

That is a lie. His parents have consistently stated that the whole thing is a hideous conspiracy theory. They sued Fox News over it.

The DNC named a bike rack after him, where was their reward money?

I have no idea what you’re talking about here, or how it’s relevant to anything.

The family hired private investigator Rod Wheeler. Wheeler attempted to call the DC police chief and his call/messages were never returned. Donna Brazille called Mr. Rich and asked why they hired Wheeler.

Evidence please.

Podesta "I'd like to make an example out of the leaker, whether or not we have a basis for it"

Podesta wrote this in February 2015, more than a year before the DNC was hacked. He wasn’t talking about Seth Rich. He was talking about a leak within the Clinton campaign that resulted in this unfavourable Washington Post article about Hillary’s attempt to rebrand herself.

Podesta says:

John Podesta said:
This story could have been written without any of these big mouths blabbing. The mere involvement of Wendy gave them license to write this. The only thing in the story that indicated that someone on the inside was talking was the reference to the H, although one of Peter Sealey's big clients is Coke so we probably know where that came from.

We can and should try to shut this down, but it is going to be tough until we get to a point where someone can actually talk on behalf of the campaign.

Benenson replies:

Joel Benenson said:
I do believe that this starts with alignment on our campaign culture and a paradigm shift in the old Clinton M.O. I know HRC believes the more people you talk to the better but it simply isn’t. Especially for her. We really need to tighten who she talks to and make sure that Huma/schedulers route most people through high level folks on the campaign so that they are being listened to.

I think Robby rightly says that a lot of our leaks are coming through job searches we’re doing. I think every conversation has to either begin or end by telling people if you’re name appears in print as a result of the conversations the job is off the table.

I think we have to make examples now of people who have violated the trust of HRC and the rest of the team. People going forward need to know there are stiff consequences for leaking, self-promotion, unauthorized talking with the press. No one – literally no one talked to the press in either Obama campaign without clearing it with campaign brass.

You can read the whole thing right here, thanks to Wikileaks. I guess you haven't actually read it before?

Seymour Hersh, politzer prize winning journo says he knows Seth was the source. Wikileaks also tweets about it.

Hersh is wrong, Wikileaks is lying. If Hersh has evidence, let’s see it.

Officer Robinson responded to the shooting.

Three officers attended: Robert Wingate Robinson, Benjamin Velez, and Mark Lee.

Robinson went to Georgetown U when Podesta taught there.

Did he? Evidence please. Also, relevance?

Robinson's sister worked for HRC

Again, evidence and relevance please.

DNC spokesman was "assigned" to the family. The family never hired or wanted him to represent them.

False. ’Former Seth Rich family spokesman files lawsuit against individuals, media outlet he says defamed him.’

Why on earth would the spokesperson (crisis manager) for the family of a murder victim be so rabidly against people who may have information about his assassination coming forward?

Because they didn’t have any information, and they were publicly defaming him, which is illegal.

Why did Brad Bauman, partner and crisis communications expert for the Pastorum Group, and Executive Director of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, worm his way into the Rich family and become their family spokesman? This was supposedly a robbery (where nothing was taken) gone wrong. So why the need for one of the world’s top experts on crisis PR management?

Seth Rich’s family asked some friends to recommend a spokesman for them, and Bauman was recommended. The family accepted him on that basis. He was not chosen or ‘appointed’ by the DNC.

Seth Rich was the only white person who was murdered in DC in all of 2016, and is the only unsolved DC homicide in the last five years with a white victim

Evidence please. Show me a list of all the homicides in DC from 2014-2019, with complete details of the victims and the current status of any relevant investigation.

Also, relevance?
 
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Oh, this is beautiful. It just gets better and better. Remember when the QANON conspiracy theorists were trying to convince everyone that Trump had a plan to bring Assange safely to the USA so he could publicly testify against Hillary and 'the Cabal'?

Meanwhile, Assange is desperate to avoid extradition...

:D
 

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medium.com: only cowards and sadists support the persecution of assange said:
Former British ambassador Craig Murray has published a very disturbing account of Julian Assange’s court appearance yesterday which I recommend reading in full. There have been many reports published about Assange’s case management hearing, but the combination of Murray’s prior experience with torture victims, his familiarity with British courts, his friendship with Assange, and his lack of reverence for western power structures allowed for a much more penetrating insight into what happened than anyone else has been able to provide so far.

Here is a small excerpt:

Before I get on to the blatant lack of fair process, the first thing I must note was Julian’s condition. I was badly shocked by just how much weight my friend has lost, by the speed his hair has receded and by the appearance of premature and vastly accelerated ageing. He has a pronounced limp I have never seen before. Since his arrest he has lost over 15 kg in weight.

But his physical appearance was not as shocking as his mental deterioration. When asked to give his name and date of birth, he struggled visibly over several seconds to recall both. I will come to the important content of his statement at the end of proceedings in due course, but his difficulty in making it was very evident; it was a real struggle for him to articulate the words and focus his train of thought.

Until yesterday I had always been quietly sceptical of those who claimed that Julian’s treatment amounted to torture — even of Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture — and sceptical of those who suggested he may be subject to debilitating drug treatments. But having attended the trials in Uzbekistan of several victims of extreme torture, and having worked with survivors from Sierra Leone and elsewhere, I can tell you that yesterday changed my mind entirely and Julian exhibited exactly the symptoms of a torture victim brought blinking into the light, particularly in terms of disorientation, confusion, and the real struggle to assert free will through the fog of learned helplessness.​
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The full article goes into further analysis of his court appearance and implies a forceful injustice is underway.
 
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But that's aids(lol) their win :confused: I thought you were some freedom fighter?

Assange isn't a freedom fighter, he's a lapdog, a vanguard for someone else's agenda, i'd much rather we dealt with the British citizens currently trapped in Iran and let Assange be happy in the US.
 
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The full article goes into further analysis of his court appearance and implies a forceful injustice is underway.

I'm not a great fan of Assange going to the US, but I find allegations of "persecution" ridiculous. His time in the Ecuadorian embassy hiding from a fair trial for rape was entirely, 100%, self-inflicted. It's not persecution to try and bring a man to trial for rape, and it's not persecution to not let them escape from that charge by hiding in an embassy. I'm sure being in a tiny flat without being able to leave for years is terrible for someone, but he did that to himself; no-one did it to him. Having hidden from being tried for rape for so long, and having skipped bail, it was inevitable that he would be punished for that, and be refused bail in future. This too he brought on himself.

His treatment is a result of his actions, and those actions make it difficult to have much sympathy for him regarding the US extradition attempt.
 

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Assange isn't a freedom fighter, he's a lapdog, a vanguard for someone else's agenda, i'd much rather we dealt with the British citizens currently trapped in Iran and let Assange be happy in the US.
Then you're just being a lazy, bitter hypocrite :)
 

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...snip...

His treatment is a result of his actions, and those actions make it difficult to have much sympathy for him regarding the US extradition attempt.
Looking at the scenario in hindsight, yes. However Assange couldn't predict no one would help him fight his battle and that he would be left alone to rot. I'm sympathetic to the man - he thinks a global power wants to set him up in order to lock him away, is that not a reason to hide and seek help? It's not his fault help didn't come.

Now, with his apparent state under persecution, we still give no compassion?
 
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Looking at the scenario in hindsight, yes. However Assange couldn't predict no one would help him fight his battle and that he would be left alone to rot. I'm sympathetic to the man - he thinks a global power wants to set him up in order to lock him away, is that not a reason to hide and seek help? It's not his fault help didn't come.

Now, with his apparent state under persecution, we still give no compassion?

From all the stories of his mental deterioration whilst in the embassy, smearing his feaces on the walls etc, then I would think his current state is more down to his own personal mental collapse than being tortured by the UK authorities in a UK prison.
 
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