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Currently looking at replacing my S3 and TT V6 with an e93 M3. I’ve done a lot of reading of buyers guides and such, and think I know what I’m looking for spec wise, but wouldn’t mind an opinion or two from those who have or have had an E9x M3, what to look for in terms of potential money pits or problems, etc.

Looks like I need late 2009 onwards for CIC, is EDC worthwhile?
 
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No real issues other than throttle actuators which will break. Easy enough diy fix with rebuild.org replacements. Rod bearings well documented but mines been trouble free apart from a TA fault for 2.5yrs and 20k miles

From what I’ve read EDC is definitely worth it on competition pack models. People don’t seem as impressed with standard model EDC but can be mapped.

EDC is very good on mine. Nice and comfortable on comfort despite the 35 profile and sport makes it feel a lot more nimble. I don’t use that much as M button is set to EDC normal. I’ve not driven a non competition pack but I remember it surprising me about how good the ride is.

Of course the E93 is a lot heavier so that may impact it but I guess it makes up for it with noise when the roof is down. There are roof leak issues I’ve briefly seen but never paid much attention as I prefer a carbon roof on these.

Test drive a couple is my only suggestion to confirm if it’s worth it.
 
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Currently looking at replacing my S3 and TT V6 with an e93 M3. I’ve done a lot of reading of buyers guides and such, and think I know what I’m looking for spec wise, but wouldn’t mind an opinion or two from those who have or have had an E9x M3, what to look for in terms of potential money pits or problems, etc.

Looks like I need late 2009 onwards for CIC, is EDC worthwhile?

EDC is most definitely worth it, I've looked at a few E93 M3's as a replacement for my E46 M3 Convertible, I tried a few with/without and it does make the ride tolerable as Simon suggests.
CIC is also a must have option for me, especially if you want apple car play as there are adapters to integrate that neatly (circa £500, but brings the whole infotainment bang up to date IMO).

And yep, Throttle Actuators are definitely the main weak point, I got the impression that if looked after and not driven hard etc, the rod bearings are less likely to go if you get a reasonable mileage example that hasn't been hammered from cold etc..

For the E93 (Convertible) I don't recall seeing any competition pack models, I did see some "Limited Edition 500" that came fully loaded but they are not good VFM..
 
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I had a e92 2008 without EDC, The ride was fine, I now have a e92 2013 with EDC and 99% of the time its in the 'middle' setting and feels exactly like that of the car without it, For me it isn't a must at all but it appears its desirable so worth looking out for to ease selling on in future.

CIC is also a must have option for me, especially if you want apple car play as there are adapters to integrate that neatly (circa £500, but brings the whole infotainment bang up to date IMO).
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I'm interested in adding Apple carplay, Do you know the best route?

Yeah that CCC unit is pretty clunky, definetly worth looking for CIC, the CIC can be retro-fitted so if a remarkably cheap 08 plate pops up its worth considering. costs about £800 iirc.
 
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Doesn't EDC, like for m-sport cars I'm considering, represent an expensive replacement cost when they wear at 60K+ miles/post warranty ? versus standard shock replacement;
obv handlings more likely to be important on an M3, and, maybe you just have to soak it up as part of the running costs.

... as such, I am less inclined to go for an m-sport, versus standard suspension, despite other accessories.

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Last time they were a bit gunky I bunged some bleach
I had added disinfectant, and had been using same Eurocarparts better quality mix for 5 years, but on removing washer bottle had unexpectedly found transparent gloop
 
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I've not got EDC on mine, but the ride is softer than i was used too. I bet most people complain about it being needed, then just leave it on standard all the time. Interestingly as i've put mine into WBAC a few times, they recently emailed me to say the values have gone up.
 
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Slightly perplexed with Specialist Cars in Stevenage as they had my car in Monday morning for a service/vehicle check and also the 2 N/S alloys to be refurbished and was expecting it back yesterday afternoon but they called to say the alloys had reacted and they needed to keep it in over night, they've then called again just now to say they are still having issues and have sent the wheels to an external company and I won't be able to collect it til tomorrow, worried they have smashed the car and trying to repair it in some way, they have refurbished a couple of wheels for me in the past and its never been an issue :confused::confused:
 
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I've not got EDC on mine, but the ride is softer than i was used too. I bet most people complain about it being needed, then just leave it on standard all the time. Interestingly as i've put mine into WBAC a few times, they recently emailed me to say the values have gone up.
EDC is softer than non EDC in comfort mode
 
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I had a e92 2008 without EDC, The ride was fine, I now have a e92 2013 with EDC and 99% of the time its in the 'middle' setting and feels exactly like that of the car without it, For me it isn't a must at all but it appears its desirable so worth looking out for to ease selling on in future.



I'm interested in adding Apple carplay, Do you know the best route?

Yeah that CCC unit is pretty clunky, definetly worth looking for CIC, the CIC can be retro-fitted so if a remarkably cheap 08 plate pops up its worth considering. costs about £800 iirc.

When I looked there are more options in the US, but XCarLink do a CIC Carplay adapter: http://www.xcarlink.co.uk/product.php?productid=524&cat=16&page=1 £499

I don't have personal recommendations as most people I know have either spent a fortune on an NBT retrofit, or replaced with dynavin/cheap ebay android items (not recommended)
 
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Currently looking at replacing my S3 and TT V6 with an e93 M3. I’ve done a lot of reading of buyers guides and such, and think I know what I’m looking for spec wise, but wouldn’t mind an opinion or two from those who have or have had an E9x M3, what to look for in terms of potential money pits or problems, etc.

Looks like I need late 2009 onwards for CIC, is EDC worthwhile?

Briefly echoing what others have said - throttle actuators will fail at some point if they are the OEM items. A company called Rebuild do refurbished ones with better parts inside and you get a lifetime warranty on them (yet to hear of a Rebuild TA failure!). Cost for this is £600 fitted whenever you are in the country IIRC. Think it's £450 if you DIY it.

E93 specific - make sure the filter just in front of the rear tyres has been cleaned as they fill up with water and kill the battery/electronics. If you see rust around the battery compartment - chances are, this has happened:


EDC, for me, was a must. The EDC software in the non comp pack models is different to the comp pack models - namely the "Sport" setting. In the non CP models, Sport is very firm and only for use on track. In the CP models, Sport is *much* better for the road, and excellent on track too.

iDrive - 2009 seemed to be the cross over year for this. Mine's a July 2009 and got the CIC. You'll just have to check each one as you look at it (the controller or double DVD drive is the giveaway). If you got a Sept 2010 model, you got bluetooth streaming courtesy of Combox. I had mine retrofitted for about £350 all in by a guy on the forum. Works great.

DCT - Buy a DCT model. DCT boxes are again almost completely problem free. The sump pan gasket can weep oil, but again, this isn't major. New revised sump pan+gasket is about £120 from BMW, but the 9 litres of oil is price at £25 per litre. It's about a £500-600 job. Apart from that, they work well, are a bit moody at lower town speeds, but anything over 10mph, they work perfectly.

Suspension - these cars are absolutely solid underneath. The suspension wears so well. EDC shocks are very expensive to buy new - but i haven't heard of a failure of them yet as they are very robust and well built. A far cry away from the E46 suspension which needed changing every 60k miles.

Engine - Largely problem free apart from the TA. Rod bearings is a big one and is a massive gamble. I decided to get mine done and boy was I glad I did - they were absolutely shot to bits and had I not got them done when I did, the engine would have lunched itself leaving me without a car for weeks and a £6000+ bill. Unfortunately, there appears to be no rhyme or reason for when they go, but it stands to reason the more owners/miles/old the car is, the more these are going to be an issue. Unfortunately, it appears that the standard thing for everyone to do when they are in charge of a V8 car is to start it up, then rev the **** out of it whilst chuckling to themselves and their mates. I imagine this happens a lot when they get traded in or when it goes to garages for services...

Tyres - Pretty expensive, but it's an M3, so expect around £800-900 for a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres.

Brakes - Not too expensive anymore...or maybe I've just been conditioned to think they aren't. Think they are about £350 for a pair of front ATE or Genuine BMW discs. Rears are about the same.
 
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Excellent, thank you for the in-depth post!

I was only looking at DCT anyway, but the rest of the post is very informative.

Whilst I’m here, what’s a good cableand software for the e9x? I had carsoft for my E46, but compared to VCDS that I’ve used for all my VAG cars, it’s a bit... poop.

I made up an Ethernet cable for upgrading the nav on my friend’s F10, but never got around to actually using it.
 
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Briefly echoing what others have said - throttle actuators will fail at some point if they are the OEM items. A company called Rebuild do refurbished ones with better parts inside and you get a lifetime warranty on them (yet to hear of a Rebuild TA failure!). Cost for this is £600 fitted whenever you are in the country IIRC. Think it's £450 if you DIY it.

E93 specific - make sure the filter just in front of the rear tyres has been cleaned as they fill up with water and kill the battery/electronics. If you see rust around the battery compartment - chances are, this has happened:


EDC, for me, was a must. The EDC software in the non comp pack models is different to the comp pack models - namely the "Sport" setting. In the non CP models, Sport is very firm and only for use on track. In the CP models, Sport is *much* better for the road, and excellent on track too.

iDrive - 2009 seemed to be the cross over year for this. Mine's a July 2009 and got the CIC. You'll just have to check each one as you look at it (the controller or double DVD drive is the giveaway). If you got a Sept 2010 model, you got bluetooth streaming courtesy of Combox. I had mine retrofitted for about £350 all in by a guy on the forum. Works great.

DCT - Buy a DCT model. DCT boxes are again almost completely problem free. The sump pan gasket can weep oil, but again, this isn't major. New revised sump pan+gasket is about £120 from BMW, but the 9 litres of oil is price at £25 per litre. It's about a £500-600 job. Apart from that, they work well, are a bit moody at lower town speeds, but anything over 10mph, they work perfectly.

Suspension - these cars are absolutely solid underneath. The suspension wears so well. EDC shocks are very expensive to buy new - but i haven't heard of a failure of them yet as they are very robust and well built. A far cry away from the E46 suspension which needed changing every 60k miles.

Engine - Largely problem free apart from the TA. Rod bearings is a big one and is a massive gamble. I decided to get mine done and boy was I glad I did - they were absolutely shot to bits and had I not got them done when I did, the engine would have lunched itself leaving me without a car for weeks and a £6000+ bill. Unfortunately, there appears to be no rhyme or reason for when they go, but it stands to reason the more owners/miles/old the car is, the more these are going to be an issue. Unfortunately, it appears that the standard thing for everyone to do when they are in charge of a V8 car is to start it up, then rev the **** out of it whilst chuckling to themselves and their mates. I imagine this happens a lot when they get traded in or when it goes to garages for services...

Tyres - Pretty expensive, but it's an M3, so expect around £800-900 for a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres.

Brakes - Not too expensive anymore...or maybe I've just been conditioned to think they aren't. Think they are about £350 for a pair of front ATE or Genuine BMW discs. Rears are about the same.
I'm glad it's not just me with the dct then, it's almost a bit like watching a learner driver sometimes. I'd say if you're hammering it, it's fine it's if you misjudge it in traffic and you on/off the throttle a lot it's a but odd. I've noticed mine is a bit slow to change gears when cold, but I'm attributing that to it being a wet clutch. And on the tyres thing, I must have 'conditioned'myself to the cost of tyres, I didn't think they were expensive lol.
 
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