Universal Credit/JSA

[wildman]

In short it works by making sure poor people don't get enough money when they actually need it and thus to feed themselves and their families they have to rely on charity handouts from the public in the way of food banks. This way it keeps government welfare costs down. It was a clever ploy by the Tories and specifically that murderous baldy nonce IDS to try and introduce genocide of the poor via the back door as it is a well known fact that Tory scum hate the poor.

There endeth the lesson in what Universal Credit is............ a tool to murder the poor legally.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Here is to many years of being a tax paying little sheep and not having to go through this utter carnage ever again.

Until the next redundancy. I been through full blown redundancy 4 times no fault of my own. I just sometimes pick the wrong places. 3 times I never got any payment from the redundancy. Not nice at all.

 

[dowie]

It was a clever ploy by the Tories and specifically that murderous baldy nonce IDS to try and introduce genocide of the poor via the back door as it is a well known fact that Tory scum hate the poor.

There endeth the lesson in what Universal Credit is............ a tool to murder the poor legally.

Brilliant, just how unhinged can people get over this stuff.

Seem more like it was a mistake by job centre staff which was later corrected & backdated after OP had to put up with some needless faff/phone calls etc..

Still better to have a rant instead - I'm surprised you haven't called them "nazis" or "fascists" too, those are the popular to throw in these days.

 

[wildman]

Tory scum do hate the poor, it's been demonstrated through their use of ideological austerity. IDS is one of the worst offenders. Maybe if we are lucky he will die in a ditch next to Johnson.

 

[Lol999]

The whole benefits system is rigged to make you either unawares of your entitlements or con you out of what you need.

About 5 or 6 years ago there was a big push to get people off the dole and self employed, if you had an illness that prevented you working full time you could still work 16 hours a week and claim working tax credits and was promoted quite forcefully by the job centre.
Now the self employed are being told that unless their income equates to 40 hours a week at national minimum wage then they should pack it in and get a 'proper' job, which is okay for some but what about the poor devils who are ill and just manage their 16 hours or so self employed?
Beofre anyone chimes in with 'they should do 16 hours for an employer' the rationale was that they could do their 16 hours around their ill health and also many employers would not touch them with a barge pole due to their illnesses/inability to stick to regular hours.

Fundamentally people cannot live on thin air, which is something IDS seems to believe is true, or at least he doesn;t care.

IDS is basically a Nazi. I reckon if he had his way there would still be eugenics.

yes the benefits system is bloated and exploited by the work shy, yet the sledge hammer approach also hits the vulnerable as seen by the number of disabled losing their benefits. they are too ill to work and are basically pushed even further into poverty, their disability payments took some of the sting out of what can be a crappy life for them.
the benchmark for claiming DLA was adequate for differing governments, Labor and Tory, yet now there is simply a cost cutting exercise going on.

Oh, and I know the bloke responsible for raising retirement age. Ask me nicely and I'll hoof him up the nuts next time I see him.

 

[Lol999]

forgot to add. according to the Joseph Roundtree foundation there is no formula they are aware of in government use where they calculate the amount required for people to live with dignity, rather they have just gotten away with paying as little as possible, and that stands for ALL parties when in government.

 

[dowie]

IDS is basically a Nazi. I reckon if he had his way there would still be eugenics.

Excellent, that's the spirit, gotta throw in a "nazi" or "fascist" reference these days else it isn't a proper political rant.

 

[Lol999]

not a rant mate. I'm a right winger but he's beyond the pale. I genuinely think if you did a dna test you'd find Mengele double helix in there.
his latest tripe was "enjoy the life enhancing benefits of work until you are 75".
no thanks. even the workhouse gave you remission at some point.

 

[Threepwood]

Brilliant, just how unhinged can people get over this stuff.

Seem more like it was a mistake by job centre staff which was later corrected & backdated after OP had to put up with some needless faff/phone calls etc..

Still better to have a rant instead - I'm surprised you haven't called them "nazis" or "fascists" too, those are the popular to throw in these days.

Stuff like this happens all the time with the benefits system, getting messed around is so common it is awful.

We are talking about people who suddenly dont have any money and who are 100000000% entitled to a benefit. If you don't think being totally skint after being messed around by the system does not cause an extra death or two, well, think again.

You also have to realise that being messed around is not just a mistake... because it happens far too frequently, esp with how the system is set up, even down to having front line folks who are not trained enough or in the know! The reason is that it saves some money at the sake of the poor and vunerable.

Think like this... this will have happened to a number of other people as well as the op during that week, lets say it happened to 10 people, it only takes one person to not follow through on fighting for what should be theirs for the system to save money. Some of those folk will just say sod it, or they might get a job and think sod chasing it up, some do indeed die and will never get a chance. And some of them would not have died if they had not been tipped over the edge/starved etc by this crappy system.

 

[Eurofighter]

My mum had to go to court for me to get my disability benefit. Lucky we won. They shouldn't have taken it off me and I got back pay. Tory scum.

Only have schizophrenia

 

[xdcx]

I'm not a fan of saying people are nazi or fascist or such like but I do agree on some points from posters above in that it is deliberately misleading and awkward. With the goal being to confuse/annoy/submit people into avoiding the system or giving up on it.

As well as my joys all documented above, my girlfriend is also going through PIP assessment at the same time. Talk about double whammy.
She was given DLA for life as she was born with a condition that cannot heal/get better. We got a letter through the door about a week after my redundancy saying her DLA with no end date, has an end date of xxxxxx.

Luckily on this front the local council have been fantastic in providing support to us on form filling and getting it all in order for her assessment and move over to PIP. It has still been very stressful though and we have had various phone calls to them which have been exceptionally long wait times and very rude call handlers along the way.... it's another system absolutely designed to trip people up and cause stress in the hope of taking "benefit" away from people.

I 100% agree there ARE people out there who need DLA taken from them and re-assessment does need take place. But the blanket approach they are taking on everyone on DLA is nasty and not right. The complete lack of link between the systems and complete lack of want for common sense to prevail from years and years and databases worth of information is just totally dumb.

I didn't put anything about the PIP stuff above as the JSA/UC stuff was even too much to deal with. So this PIP stuff at same time was honestly ridiculous. Luckily, as I say, local council have been superb and we have managed the PIP stuff great. Just waiting on that coming back decision wise in the next 2 weeks but based on some of her friends (all life long major disabilities) we are expecting them to try and "short change" us and have to go through the appeal process that most people seem to need to do.... It's like they are dealing out shocking offers to disabled people hoping they will just take it and accept it rather than appeal it and get the rates they truly are entitled to.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Am I missing out on money that others are getting purely due to my postcode/where I live

Yes - UC is a shambles and it's designed to help the government, not the claimant.

 

[wildman]

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has been forced to reveal it’s already investigating deaths under Universal Credit. But it only released the “secret” files due to a Freedom of Information request (FOI).

The DWP: more damning revelations
When a claimant dies or takes their own life, the DWP has to review its involvement. This is called an “internal process review” [IPR], or “peer review“. As FullFact reported, often it only reveals the reviews via FOIs. They have been dogged by controversy; Green Party co-leader Jonathan Bartley at one point likened the DWP’s actions to a “cover-up”.

But now, Disability News Service (DNS) has forced the DWP to reveal the number of IPRs it has carried out. The reviews make for damning reading; you can read DNS’ two reports here and here.

source

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/09...it-people-are-dying-under-universal-credit-2/

thats some scary **** right there. So trying to "gloss over" it with excuses like oh they were just a few mistakes and everyone got backpay is a con. People actually died and coroners attributed Universal Credit as playing a significant role in why these people died. Plus add to the fact that the DWP is trying to cover up a lot of the facts which they were essentially forced to releases on FOI

 

[mmj_uk]

From what I gather the main problem over the last few years is the belief within government that if you make conditions harder for people on benefits they'll just click their fingers and get a job as though there are millions of empty jobs everywhere and not enough people to do them, whereas due to European free movement conditions are quite the opposite. So ultimately, when you make conditions harder for people they just become even more trapped in poverty. It's like trying to herd sheep into a pen with the gate shut, all you are doing is making their lives a misery and stressing them out unnecessarily but then the farmer runs to the media and tells them that the sheep don't want to go in the pen so they need to bring in more sheep from another farm.

 

[Lol999]

From what I gather the main problem over the last few years is the belief within government that if you make conditions harder for people on benefits they'll just click their fingers and get a job as though there are millions of empty jobs everywhere and not enough people to do them, whereas due to European free movement conditions are quite the opposite. So ultimately, when you make conditions harder for people they just become even more trapped in poverty. It's like trying to herd sheep into a pen with the gate shut, all you are doing is making their lives a misery and stressing them out unnecessarily but then the farmer runs to the media and tells them that the sheep don't want to go in the pen so they need to bring in more sheep from another farm.

pretty much it. i got into a row with a bloke who said we need immigrants because they do the jobs we don;t want to. fine, but do we really NEED car washes? wouldn't machinery be more adept at harvesting vegetables than humans? do we need Poles at Sports Direct?

 

[Threepwood]

@Threepwood given the number of times that you've either quoted me or notified me over what was a light hearted comment then yes it does seem to have triggered you. You still don't get it, I'm referring to people using nazi and fascist inappropriately and no getting annoyed at changes to the benefit system doesn't imply some similarity to fascism. If you were referring to say the BNP etc.. then you'd have a point but you don't. You're just continually moaning at me about benefits in a thread that has nothing to do with them.

Hi, I have quoted you so you know that I am talking to you and to give this thread the context.

Dowie, when choices made on purpose kill people, who would not have died otherwise.. it is not inapproriate to liken that to something that happened under an actual nazi facist regime and note the similarities. We might have to disagree on this, which is okay by me. I sense that either you live a sheltered life and have had no experience with these matters, again this is okay. If you would take a moment to understand the matter from a different perspective than you are used to that might help, idk.

There are deffo times when both those words are used without real justification, of course.... but that is not to say that some things do not share certain similarities.

Using words like triggered is, meh, I don't have the words... its just bull crap, I wouldnt lower myself to say that you got triggered because someone quoted you on a forum because they wanted to converse with something you had said, I mean come on, you know you love it

 

[dowie]

Hi, I have quoted you so you know that I am talking to you and to give this thread the context.

I'm aware of that, I wasn't questioning what the quote function was for I'm pointing out you getting triggered by this so much that you're repeatedly making use of it!

[more waffle about benefits]

You're just moaning again - you're not going to convince me that changing the benefit system is "fascist" no matter how many times you quote me to whine about it. It is an utterly stupid argument.

I'd suggest looking at the video: "We've reached peak Nazi" by Jonathan Pie again if you're really not following this.

 

[Rofflay]

How long is the wait with no cash now then? I am wondering if you have monthly bills for creditcards which being low income is a thing or payday loans, How do you swap over and buy food and pay the monthly bill?

Do they give you help now or do they basically watch as you go bankrupt and beg for 6weeks?

 

[Cromulent]

I dread the day when my ESA moves over to UC. It hasn't happened yet. I'm hoping they have forgotten about me .

 

[malachi]

I hope I never be in a situation where I need to claim benefits. Seems pretty nasty out there when going through the process.