PS5 AMD GPU will support RT

4K8KW10 · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:14

opethdisciple said:
For Sony to be putting it in to the PS5 it must be able to do it to a certain standard surely.

Standard with ray-tracing - 4K@30.

Martini1991 · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:22

TheRealDeal said:
I am not sure where that comes from. Do a google, the ps3 chip is pretty much a gtx7800 and has higher clocks. The chip in the xbox 360 was a 1900/1950 based chip with some similarities to the 2900. They were high end chips at the time.Most console chips are based on the pc but with some differencies depending on what the platform developer wants. I was running a 1900xtx at the time and it could do 1080p.

Yeah you're right about the 7800GT/PS3.

But they still weren't 1080P consoles.

They could certainly render a 1080P image, but there was basically no games that were 1080p apart from indie games etc.

TheRealDeal · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:26

Martini1991 said:
Yeah you're right about the 7800GT/PS3.

But they still weren't 1080P consoles.

They could certainly render a 1080P image, but there was basically no games that were 1080p apart from indie games etc.

They could have been though but console developers tend to push graphics over fps as console gamers tend to not bother about 30fps as much as we do. I think with the hardware they could have done 1080p 60 if they toned down the graphics a little like these days with the ps4 pro. It's not a 4k console but it can do it with the correct settings for 30fps. I think the new consoles could be 4k 60 but my guess is they will push 4k 30 but max details. You are right though as most games i remember were 720p with the odd game being 1080p or i in my case as my tv at the time was a false 1080.

4K8KW10 · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:29

Back then, most consumers had SD (576i) TV sets, that was many years ago.

Martini1991 · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:35

TheRealDeal said:
They could have been though but console developers tend to push graphics over fps as console gamers tend to not bother about 30fps as much as we do. I think with the hardware they could have done 1080p 60 if they toned down the graphics a little like these days with the ps4 pro. It's not a 4k console but it can do it with the correct settings for 30fps. I think the new consoles could be 4k 60 but my guess is they will push 4k 30 but max details. You are right though as most games i remember were 720p with the odd game being 1080p or i in my case as my tv at the time was a false 1080.

The PS3/Xbox 360 could have been 4K consoles if they rendered pong, it's neither here or there.

The point being, just because the PS5's "touted" to have ray tracing, doesn't really mean it's got ray tracing in any significant way.

Yaayuh! · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:40

Martini1991 said:
The PS3/Xbox 360 could have been 4K consoles if they rendered pong, it's neither here or there.

The point being, just because the PS5's "touted" to have ray tracing, doesn't really mean it's got ray tracing in any significant way.

I concur.

4K8KW10 · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:41

Martini1991 said:
The PS3/Xbox 360 could have been 4K consoles if they rendered pong, it's neither here or there.

The point being, just because the PS5's "touted" to have ray tracing, doesn't really mean it's got ray tracing in any significant way.

Nasher · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:41

The rendering quality never seems as good on consoles either. Always quite blurry and a colours aren't as vibrant.

Perfect_Chaos · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:42

4K8KW10 said:
Standard with ray-tracing - 4K@30.

More like upscaled 1080p/1440p 30fps

Panos · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:43

4K8KW10 said:
Standard with ray-tracing - 4K@30.

Nvidia's target for Turing was 1080p @30fps, and even admitting that on their Ampere advertisement atm

Martini1991 · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:43

Nasher said:
The rendering quality never seems as good on consoles either. Always quite blurry and a colours aren't as vibrant.

That's because their output was poor.
In fact there's a load of sub 720P games.

This was in an age when people started to get massive 55" screens.

Martini1991 · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:44

4K8KW10 said:

That means nothing in reality.

The Xbox One was going to utilise the cloud. Look how that turned out.

TheRealDeal · 8 Oct 2019 at 18:58

Martini1991 said:
The PS3/Xbox 360 could have been 4K consoles if they rendered pong, it's neither here or there.

The point being, just because the PS5's "touted" to have ray tracing, doesn't really mean it's got ray tracing in any significant way.

I agree, look at my original posts and the questions i have.

DELETED_195422 · 8 Oct 2019 at 19:02

This happens every console generation. Marketing how great the consoles will be, then reality hits and grounds everyone.

I expect this round of hardware to be no different.

Looking forward to the impossible tech demos from their marketing dep on the run up to launch.

4K8KW10 · 8 Oct 2019 at 19:02

Martini1991 said:
That means nothing in reality.

The Xbox One was going to utilise the cloud. Look how that turned out.

For utilising the cloud, one needs the perfect internet connection. Not going to happen.
Your point was that they couldn't claim "full ray-tracing" support, which actually AMD does - they are honest and claim partial ray-tracing support via select lighting effects.
Nvidia is not honest - RTX 2080 Ti support max theoretical rate of 10 Gigarays/s which is too little and primitive.

NZXT30 · 8 Oct 2019 at 20:00

opethdisciple said:
For Sony to be putting it in to the PS5 it must be able to do it to a certain standard surely.

It means nothing as console makers have a history of lying about such things.

Poneros · 8 Oct 2019 at 20:57

4K 30 + RT is a definite. Hell a 2070 can do that today. People forget RT isn't a toggle but rather there's levels to it. Medium RT shadows have a 15-20% performance hit in SotTR which is still a very early & crude implementation. But I don't think they will chain themselves to fixed resolutions anymore, as we can see with Gears 5, Control, COD:MW2 & Breakpoint it's all about dynamic resolution and/or temporal accumulation/reconstruction techniques. That's how they'll sell RT for PS5 & also how they'll sell "8K" 4-5 years later with the refresh.

TNA · 8 Oct 2019 at 21:42

Rock_n_Roll said:
They'll be taking the hybrid approach.

Hard to take that article seriously or even the whole website when it says:

NVIDIA has had ray tracing capable hardware in the form of the kick ass GeForce RTX graphics cards for close to a year now, and even AMD's next-gen-and-finally-nearly-here Navi-based Radeon RX 5700 series cards launch on 7/7, they still won't pack ray tracing abilities.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/66455/amds-new-patent-explains-hybrid-ray-tracing-approach/index.html

Kick ass? Really??

3t3P · 8 Oct 2019 at 22:30

wipeout on ps3 was 1080p 60fps

Rofflay · 8 Oct 2019 at 22:33

Raytracing effects sounds more honest, But they are tricksters this lot, 4k? Not real either it is checkerboad most of the time. Anything else they fake but use the name to fool people?

I can put Raytracing and 4k on the box and have half the screen 1080p, Half 4k and Raytrace Geralts toe and i can get away with that legally. Heck even PC does not even get this for 2k but you tell that to a console owner....