Poll: How much do you think sick pay should be?

How much do you think sick pay should be?

  • No pay

    Votes: 12 5.9%
  • Statutory sick pay

    Votes: 16 7.8%
  • Half pay

    Votes: 27 13.2%
  • Full pay

    Votes: 139 67.8%
  • Other (specify)

    Votes: 11 5.4%

  • Total voters
    205
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The problem is, for a lot of people you don't really have a great deal of choice unless you're skilled enough or lucky enough to be in a position to be picky about it :(

My friend's place of work is in some ways pretty bad, but in others it's very good to the staff (for example when an in-law of his died the boss immediately told him he'd be paid for the time off for the funeral etc, regardless of staffing levels).

Yes this is a problem and something i think should be sorted out by the government.
I have a mate who was off for months a few years back with a serious problem, he got very very little help from his work (car garage) and not a lot of help when he returned.
Meanwhile i have been off for slightly more than half this year with the big C (now gone!) and got full pay for most of it and plenty of time on phased return.

Its not really fair for people who dont have such a good employer, however i could also see that paying for this is a lot to ask smaller employers.
As for those taking the piddle, managers need to be more proactive and less red tape needs to be in place to catch the 'tards out.
 
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Im self employed. No work no pay.
This is what it should be for everyone, then you dont get people not going to work cause they had a couple of drinks the night before.
Jusy lazy buggers
 
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Im self employed. No work no pay.
This is what it should be for everyone, then you dont get people not going to work cause they had a couple of drinks the night before.
Jusy lazy buggers

Assuming you are self employed by choice then you should be earning enough to counter the loss of employee benefits to make it worthwhile.

People will always take the mick whatever system is in place but companies lose more money through recruitment costs and poor productivity by having draconian measures that impact everyone. The ones playing the system can be dealt with through proper management, for the supermarket I worked in they allowed staff to swap shifts which meant students could do what students will always do, they just had to plan ahead (saying that its not like heavy drinking is restricted to students I'm sure plenty of people have phoned in after having a few too many or worse come in to work half cut).

I always find it odd that the reaction from people is almost always that they if they have a raw deal then so should everyone else rather than fighting for the same benefits others get, just ends up being a race to the bottom.
 
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Soldato
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Im self employed. No work no pay.
This is what it should be for everyone, then you dont get people not going to work cause they had a couple of drinks the night before.
Jusy lazy buggers

What about people that have had legit issues?

Screw those guys. God forbid they also have to sponge off the government as well! They should die in a pit. Maybe we should just preempt this and terminate their continued existence so they can't plague our society with their ludicrous medical demands.
 
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Im self employed. No work no pay.
This is what it should be for everyone, then you dont get people not going to work cause they had a couple of drinks the night before.
Jusy lazy buggers
So if im paid £100 a day, add £500 a day value to the company, go out for lunch and get impaled by a rogue umbrella in the wind, resulting in 2 weeks off wearing a nappy, my employer should say tough tatties? Thats a 1930's employer whos going to get a returning member of staff adding -£500 a day.

I had an ex employer who allowed me 2 days off for a family death, 1\2 pay, while other employees got 2 weeks off fully paid. Needless to say all work output stopped for 5 months incurring a lot of additional costs while i sat on my ar$e studying, followed by a consultant being hired for 6 weeks, on 1600 a week, to cover me and train new person. Treat employees fairly or face the consequences. People get sick / have emergencies.
 
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Its like benefits. It should be more than it is but can't be because people take the ****.
Benefit handouts are sometimes so wrong

Got a family member that will be getting about £900 per week on benefit as she has 4 kids and she only ever worked a few months in her whole life
 
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Benefit handouts are sometimes so wrong

Got a family member that will be getting about £900 per week on benefit as she has 4 kids and she only ever worked a few months in her whole life
Are you sure it's £900 a week?
That sounds extremely high* unless most of that is in housing benefit, and even that would be at the high end from what I understand.

*Given JSA is what £100 a week, even ESA in the support group is only about £130, whilst PIP at the top rate is ~£120, with child benefit at about £20 then £12 for additional children.
 
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Im self employed. No work no pay.
This is what it should be for everyone, then you dont get people not going to work cause they had a couple of drinks the night before.
Jusy lazy buggers

So someone who gets a life changing illness such as cancer should know their place and just go die in a ditch already.
 

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I’ve worked in multiple companies that pay full pay for 6 months. Not surprisingly it is abused and you see the pattern of people returning shortly after the full pay drops :p
 
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Are you sure it's £900 a week?
That sounds extremely high* unless most of that is in housing benefit, and even that would be at the high end from what I understand.

*Given JSA is what £100 a week, even ESA in the support group is only about £130, whilst PIP at the top rate is ~£120, with child benefit at about £20 then £12 for additional children.
It in guernsey....

They increased the max from £750 to £850 and she also meant to get about £50 extra on top classed as family allowance
https://guernseypress.com/news/2019/11/04/islanders-can-earn-more-on-benefits-than-in-jobs/
 
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If it's for say hospital treatment or similar there should be no question, full pay no matter how long (whilst day appointments possibly half pay or allowed to make it up*), or at least a high percentage (possibly on a sliding scale - iirc similar to how the government does it if a company goes bust).
Possibly backed by an independent insurance fund or something so that if say someone has cancer and requires 6 months off for treatment it doesn't hurt smaller companies.

I do wonder if that is better covered by employees taking out insurance. I mean I'm all for full sick pay for a few weeks to cover most general sickness and various acute incidents, once you get to the catastrophic, life changing stuff though then there becomes a question of whether it is even feasible for that person to carry on. Obviously if they can then that's great but having a blanket policy allowing up to 6 months off sick does seem to lead to (likely/suspected) abuse as noted by a few posters. If the onus is on the individual to take out insurance for the tail end stuff - something that perhaps someone with a family/mortgage often do, then that covers the unlikely extreme events - catastrophic accidents, sudden debilitating illness etc.. but is perhaps much less easy to abuse with some general stress claim via a GP letter etc... An insurance company will be quite happy to question such a claim.
 

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Soldato
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Im self employed. No work no pay.
This is what it should be for everyone, then you dont get people not going to work cause they had a couple of drinks the night before.
Jusy lazy buggers

Your choice to be self employed, your own bad managment of not having suitble cover in finance or staff to cover for illness.

I guess holidays should be unpaid as well....
 
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I'd go:

- Set sick days per year, say 5, anything more than 2 days needs doctors note.
- Sickness with doctors note, which is still classed as short-term (up to 1 week) should be half pay.
- Anything longer than that, long-term doctors note should be covered statutory sick pay.
- Anything that is over your 5 days short term sick days over the year comes out the holiday, or no pay. Your choice.


lol this just seems like a good way to make your employees hate you.
 
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