AM4 or AM5?

[Deleted member 209350]

Partly, I could do with my GPU tbh as on a 4k monitor, however having been on that for 5 years I would currently rather go 1440p/144hz if I was to upgrade now.

Going from there though a full new system seems sensible rather than upgrade item by item at this stage, and so going on that view might as well wait so that don't feel like missing out on what appears to be a pretty solid change that will last similar amount of time with possibly only GPU upgrades for a number of years then.

1440p 144hz is definitely the sweet spot when it comes to gaming monitors so its definitely worth a shout

 

[smilingcrow]

What you also need to consider is Intel traditionally switch out the motherboard with every CPU generation.

Isn't it usually every two generations?
Although it depends whether you consider their last 3 or 4 actually to be new generations.
But before the 14nm stagnation it was every 2 usually but people love to exaggerate Intel's platform compatibility or lack of it for some reason.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Isn't it usually every two generations?
Although it depends whether you consider their last 3 or 4 actually to be new generations.
But before the 14nm stagnation it was every 2 usually but people love to exaggerate Intel's platform compatibility or lack of it for some reason.

Yeah believe it is every 2 gen's, but the fact its on the same architecture is what makes it stupid. No reason to change the mobo's when you're still on 14nm

 

[tris179]

I'm considering a new build myself and currently trying to decide to whether to jump on AM4 or wait. Especially if it could be be on DDR5

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I'm considering a new build myself and currently trying to decide to whether to jump on AM4 or wait. Especially if it could be be on DDR5

Depends on your current specs and how much you really need to upgrade

 

[LePhuronn]

Isn't it usually every two generations?

It actually works out to be 50/50 if you look back at the LGA 115x family.

Lynnfield needed a new board
Sandy needed a new board, Ivy could work on most Sandy boards with a BIOS update
Haswell needed a new board, Haswell Refresh and Devil's Canyon could work on most Haswell boards with a BIOS update
Broadwell needed the Haswell Refresh and Devil's Canyon boards
Skylake needed a new board
Kaby needed a new board
Coffee Lake needed a new board
9000 series Coffee Lake refresh almost needed a new board.

 

[LePhuronn]

I think LGA775 was similar - same socket across 4 generations of board, but the CPUs needed new boards each time.

 

[smilingcrow]

I think LGA775 was similar - same socket across 4 generations of board, but the CPUs needed new boards each time.

I think you memory is corrupt; try changing a module!

 

[LePhuronn]

I think you memory is corrupt; try changing a module!

Probably, but I do recall you couldn't drop a Core CPU into a Pentium board even though they were both LGA775, and not all Core 2 Quads would work in Core 2 Duo boards because of thermals and power delivery.

 

[Scougar]

I have waited so long now that zen3 (I assume AM5) simore likely to be purchased by me now. Gonna be hell of an upgrade lol.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I have waited so long now that zen3 (I assume AM5) simore likely to be purchased by me now. Gonna be hell of an upgrade lol.

Zen3 is still on AM4, but its likely the last. Zen4 onwards will be on AM5

 

[Scougar]

Zen3 is still on AM4, but its likely the last. Zen4 onwards will be on AM5

Thanks for clarification sir! Will be AM4 for sure then with my next chip. Defo not waiting this long again

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Thanks for clarification sir! Will be AM4 for sure then with my next chip. Defo not waiting this long again

Why not just buy a 3600? Sell it off when the last chips on AM4 come out, and buy one of those during Summer.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

Thanks for clarification sir! Will be AM4 for sure then with my next chip. Defo not waiting this long again

Good shout! Zen3 looks to be amazing as it is so you definitely can't go wrong buying one of those chips. I will probably do the same as well, buy a decent enough zen3 chip to use with my b450 board, and then a few years down the line I will do the full upgrade to AM5 with DDR5, Pcie 5, 5nm process

 

[Scougar]

Why not just buy a 3600? Sell it off when the last chips on AM4 come out, and buy one of those during Summer.

I have a 1600.. I feel (yes feeling isn't reality), that 6 core to 6 core is it enough of an upgrade. 2700x was seriously tempting, but again, it is prob only about 3600 level anyway right? (Any chip I buy will bad down to my daughter anyway rather than sell).

Given how much the latest AM4 boards are, I wouldn't expect AM5 to be cheap either. AM5 is clearly way too far out.

I think that it is great we are having real choices again. In some weird reversal... Price wise I have considered Intel again as well as they have had their hand forced.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I have a 1600.. I feel (yes feeling isn't reality), that 6 core to 6 core is it enough of an upgrade. 2700x was seriously tempting, but again, it is prob only about 3600 level anyway right? (Any chip I buy will bad down to my daughter anyway rather than sell).

Given how much the latest AM4 boards are, I wouldn't expect AM5 to be cheap either. AM5 is clearly way too far out.

I think that it is great we are having real choices again. In some weird reversal... Price wise I have considered Intel again as well as they have had their hand forced.

Your feelings are wrong on this one... The Sheer IPC gain even from zen+ to zen2 made the 3600 perform better than the 2700x in most scenarios that I saw..

If you are jumping 2 generations from the 1600 to a 3600, it will be a huge upgrade

 

[Scougar]

Your feelings are wrong on this one... The Sheer IPC gain even from zen+ to zen2 made the 3600 perform better than the 2700x in most scenarios that I saw..

If you are jumping 2 generations from the 1600 to a 3600, it will be a huge upgrade

I am doing encoding work as well bear in mind.

 

[Deleted member 209350]

I am doing encoding work as well bear in mind.

Ah, well in that case your work requires more cores in which case something like a 3700x or 3900x would be great

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

If thinking about just gaming though the newer chips are much better than the earlier ones, you can see minimums improved a lot in many games, still not quite on par with Intel in overall gaming performance but they seem to be a lot closer now.

Wonder how much better the 4000 series will be for games. Going to be interesting when more stuff starts leaking about them.

 

[Amatsubu]

If thinking about just gaming though the newer chips are much better than the earlier ones, you can see minimums improved a lot in many games, still not quite on par with Intel in overall gaming performance but they seem to be a lot closer now.

Wonder how much better the 4000 series will be for games. Going to be interesting when more stuff starts leaking about them.

Interested myself, I've been pondering switching from 4790k to 3700x for gaming, music making and some other stuff but I guess it'd be better to wait for the refresh next year, they should bring like 15% IPC gain with a bit higher clocks and improved efficiency.