CCTV in the work place

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It can only be for security. They can't use it to spy on workers.

Footage can be used and handed to police if someone does something illegal (like stealing). But they can't use it to discipline someone who simply breaks company policy. If someone is browsing porn all day and you set up a camera to look over their shoulder, the company will end up being sued by the worker.

Not necessarily, we have CCTV that monitors H&S ie working outside and someone has an accident the CCTV monitor can quickly report the incident - and there is a live recording to assist with any subsequent investigation.
 
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I'm not the employer, I am an employee with the companies interest in mind. A new CCTV system has been set up. There was already an existing CCTV setup but this is in a different area, on a different circuit and for a different purpose. The new CCTV purpose has been posted to a few staff (about 2% of the people who will be filmed) in an email but I cant see an ambigious email being being an official document. I'm trying to get a policy written up or find an existing one but no one seems to know if this is a legal requirement and I have spent hours looking at the Data Protection Act looking for something to show the employer so they get their act together. All I have been able to find is that people being filmed have a right to know the purpose, but nothing about how that purpose is to be relayed. Within weeks of the CCTV switch on there was an incident that resulted in a threating email being sent out informing a few people, stating that if no one owned up then the CCTV would be used to find out, as you can guess this was not the purpose the CCTV was setup for (According to the email). Now if legal proceding ever came up, which I'm 99.9% sure would never happend, you can guess how it would end up.

I am infavor of the system but I'd like it to be for an additional purpose of watching customers (namely other departments) attitudes towards the staff, which I would think would come under staff safety.

Google CCTV policy for 'university', 'government' etc and you will find many examples and completed policies to steal from, i mean use for research.

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/estates/documents/security/cctv-policy.pdf

You will also need signage up identifying CCTV is operation with the name/office of your Data Protection Officer/Advisor and a contact number.

You may also need a DPIA:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...n-impact-assessments-for-surveillance-cameras

https://www.barnsleyhospital.nhs.uk/uploads/2017/02/PIA_CCTV.pdf
 
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I'm not the employer, I am an employee with the companies interest in mind. A new CCTV system has been set up. There was already an existing CCTV setup but this is in a different area, on a different circuit and for a different purpose. The new CCTV purpose has been posted to a few staff (about 2% of the people who will be filmed) in an email but I cant see an ambigious email being being an official document. I'm trying to get a policy written up or find an existing one but no one seems to know if this is a legal requirement and I have spent hours looking at the Data Protection Act looking for something to show the employer so they get their act together. All I have been able to find is that people being filmed have a right to know the purpose, but nothing about how that purpose is to be relayed. Within weeks of the CCTV switch on there was an incident that resulted in a threating email being sent out informing a few people, stating that if no one owned up then the CCTV would be used to find out, as you can guess this was not the purpose the CCTV was setup for (According to the email). Now if legal proceding ever came up, which I'm 99.9% sure would never happend, you can guess how it would end up.

I am infavor of the system but I'd like it to be for an additional purpose of watching customers (namely other departments) attitudes towards the staff, which I would think would come under staff safety.

Does your employer have a privacy policy in place that is accessible to employees?
 
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Actually you can providing there is a specific reason e.g. you have reasonable suspicion drug use is taking place etc

Interesting, couldn't do that where I worked, even though there was specific evidence of drug use - needles, smack cooking spoons and tin foil found in bins on floor etc.

(Though thinking about it, those loo's were accessible to the public, maybe that's why).
 
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It can only be for security. They can't use it to spy on workers.

Footage can be used and handed to police if someone does something illegal (like stealing). But they can't use it to discipline someone who simply breaks company policy. If someone is browsing porn all day and you set up a camera to look over their shoulder, the company will end up being sued by the worker.

That isn't true.
I work on a very H&S conscious site - the kind of site where the "wrong kind of accident" could close the site down, and that would be a major financial issue considering what and who we supply.
If there are accidents and/or "Near Misses" we are in a position to be able to watch back footage to see exactly what happened, to see if it is the employee or the process at fault etc. If someone is calming that a large pallet fell on them due to where the fork life vehicles run and the "safe area" and on subsequent investigation we find the gentleman was "Spider-Man'ing up the crates" then we need to be in a position to find out what went wrong and offer re-training where required.
 
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I wonder how many people concerned with CCTV in the workplace are happy to have it outside their own homes or in their own vehicles? When customers "accidentally" leave a camera running in their cars in for work (only had two or three of them) I have a print out of an old BBC test card I put in front of it, and a recording a a dog constantly barking playing on a continuous loop tape player inside the vehicle. One garage owner serviced such a car stark naked :) I don't have a problem with CCTV in the workplace so long as its presence is clearly pointed out.
 
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I looked at this we have simple signs up saying that CCTV is in operation, buts thats all they say. While digging I have requested the policy several times from managment, it has until this week fallen on deaf ears. Bear in mind I started to ask the 'policy' question over a year ago when the CCTV was put in place (It has only just been turned on). I'm now in talks with someone who seems to be more interested in keeping the company in line with the law. There is nothing in that link, that I have found, that relates to a written policy as such.

Google CCTV policy for 'university', 'government' etc and you will find many examples and completed policies to steal from, i mean use for research.

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/estates/documents/security/cctv-policy.pdf

You will also need signage up identifying CCTV is operation with the name/office of your Data Protection Officer/Advisor and a contact number.

You may also need a DPIA:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...n-impact-assessments-for-surveillance-cameras

https://www.barnsleyhospital.nhs.uk/uploads/2017/02/PIA_CCTV.pdf

Thanks. I'll have a read and see what I can find.

I work for a very large, world wide company who are very focused on doing things the right way, sadly there are some who act without thinking things through or who are just ignorant of the law.
 
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then we need to be in a position to find out what went wrong and offer re-training where required.

I like this attaitude towards employees, this is excatally how I would like to think the company I work for would deal with an incident. But as I said in my last post there are some who are unto a law of their own, which could lead to prosecution. Which ever way that would go would likely be upsetting so best avoided in my opinion.
 
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