Well I surprised myself and actually enjoyed it as a film, just wish it wasn't a Star Wars film. Or rather I wish it wasn't a retcon of everything thats gone before. I'm not surprised the takings were down there were few surprises because we've seen it all before. I enjoyed seeing the SW universe again thats something I never tire of I just wish they'd had come up with some original stories instead of rehashing the original trilogy like days old stale xmas turkey. Judging by some overheard conversations afterwards it seems I'm not the only one who wasn't over impressed either.
I've been a hardcore Star Wars fan all my life, it's one of the reasons I dislike the new trilogy so much. You also have the other side of the coin, the fans who are utterly incapable of seeing how bad some of these things really are. I've talked to a bunch (and there's a few in this thread) who will list the faults all day long, far more negatives than positives, but they'll still defend the movie as though it's good. There was even one guy in this thread who claimed it was a good movie as long as you didn't actually watch it.
The movie is objectively poor, if someone subjectively enjoys it that's fine, but don't try to polish a turd and tell me it doesn't still stink.
The problem is it comes with so much history and fan expectations that it can't possibly live up to any of it, people give similar arguments why there could never be a Half Life 3 game released. As a big budget blockbuster flick you can munch popcorn to over the xmas holidays I found it enjoyable but if you're expecting anymore you're going to be disappointed.
When was the last time that happened on a Major franchise? Your going back to Nolan's Batman at least. Even Marvel films are no different.
Marvel film are escapist nonsense but fun nonetheless, just go with the flow and leave your brain parked in neutral.
I think it’s easier to go ‘huh he survived somehow’ than try and figure out how the cloning malarkey would work.
That and the "twist the plot around a few times a la ROTJ he's grooming Ren... no its actually Rey... not really he really wants immortality/regeneration all for himself! Bet you didn't see that coming! Hahaha!" er yes we did its been done before funnily enough by the SW film you're retconning.
So it’s anything we want it to be...just like what Finn was going to say!
I thought it was pretty obvious what he was going to say everything that was going to happen was telegraphed in advance its not exactly Dostoevsky. I kept wanting to say "she's not for you! You're not in her league son!"