Soldato
i can see the 3080ti near cost £2000 but thats my opinion i hope im wrong..
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Are NVidia clearing the decks for a new high end card?
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it would need to be twice as fast as the 2080ti for that to be anything less than offensive
Caporegime
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nVidia don't give a **** dude, they'll be offensive as they like and roll around in all their money McDuck-styleeee
Caporegime
About half that will be the price.
Soldato
Surely you would re-invest it?
Caporegime
I agree still too expensive. But for those that will want the extra RT grunt or the rasterisation grunt for 4K, it is an option. What you are suggesting is for potato resolutions like 1080p
As long as they give us 2080Ti performance or more for under £500 then most will be happy.
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I hope nivida starts running the "kidney for gfx card" exchange program soon.
That would be fab. Who needs a kidney when you can run quake2 in full 1440p with raytracing!!
That would be fab. Who needs a kidney when you can run quake2 in full 1440p with raytracing!!
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Don't **** with Yoda.
I agree still too expensive. But for those that will want the extra RT grunt or the rasterisation grunt for 4K, it is an option. What you are suggesting is for potato resolutions like 1080p
As long as they give us 2080Ti performance or more for under £500 then most will be happy.
RT grunt for what though, only a few developers have bothered with it and most of those games are mediocre anyway. Or it barely makes any noticeable difference for a huge FPS cost.
Caporegime
Come on mate, you got to be blind if you cannot see where things are headed. With time we will get more and more RT games. Bit of a silly comment really (would not be your first)
Cyberpunk 2077 will have RT elements, so will Dying Light 2, so will Vampire Masquerade 2 all games I am really interested in coming out this year. The current 2070S will not be able to run these games at 4K (RT wise), so the 3070 will indeed need more RT grunt, a lot more! That is not to mention, the hardware will be needed if devs ever will be able to make proper RT games, not just reflective puddles and glass. Still not even mentioned the next gen consoles which are meant to have some kind of RT, so yeah, RT grunt is needed and a LOT MORE of it! Got to start somewhere.
Come on mate, you got to be blind if you cannot see where things are headed. With time we will get more and more RT games. Bit of a silly comment really (would not be your first)
Cyberpunk 2077 will have RT elements, so will Dying Light 2, so will Vampire Masquerade 2 all games I am really interested in coming out this year. The current 2070S will not be able to run these games at 4K (RT wise), so the 3070 will indeed need more RT grunt, a lot more! That is not to mention, the hardware will be needed if devs ever will be able to make proper RT games, not just reflective puddles and glass. Still not even mentioned the next gen consoles which are meant to have some kind of RT, so yeah, RT grunt is needed and a LOT MORE of it! Got to start somewhere.
But current cards won't be powerful enough to run future RT games.
Right now it's a couple of extra reflections or a shadow. Not worth it. It's also quite glitchy in places and can make scenes actually look LESS realistic. It's basically in the alpha stages.
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Soldato
Come on mate, you got to be blind if you cannot see where things are headed. With time we will get more and more RT games. Bit of a silly comment really (would not be your first)
Cyberpunk 2077 will have RT elements, so will Dying Light 2, so will Vampire Masquerade 2 all games I am really interested in coming out this year. The current 2070S will not be able to run these games at 4K (RT wise), so the 3070 will indeed need more RT grunt, a lot more! That is not to mention, the hardware will be needed if devs ever will be able to make proper RT games, not just reflective puddles and glass. Still not even mentioned the next gen consoles which are meant to have some kind of RT, so yeah, RT grunt is needed and a LOT MORE of it! Got to start somewhere.
Don't worry Nvidia and AMD are going to give you faster RT capable GPUs this year,and then charge you even more for them.
Also,until consoles can do RT,and most mainstream graphics cards under £300 can do it OK,it is going to be a tacked on feature to sell more graphics cards.If you look at total gaming revenue,PC only makes up 25% of it AFAIK,and lots of those games are MMOs,online shooters,etc which are not driven by appearance as the cartoony graphics is made to scale down to lower and and older systems. Then you have to consider the massive install base of gamers with non-RT capable graphics cards. So are developers suddenly going to drop all these gamers,by making a new fangled graphics card a necessity to run the game on?? I doubt it. Are people suddenly going to stop running some of those older games,or those popular ones which won't get RT updates. Nope. Developers will want to sell games,so they will make sure all those non RT systems will run them. If AMD and Nvidia want to drive RT forward, we need very fast mainstream graphics cards which not only run RT well but also have excellent rasterised performance.
Caporegime
Don't worry Nvidia and AMD are going to give you faster RT capable GPUs this year,and then charge you even more for them.
Also,until consoles can do RT,and most mainstream graphics cards under £300 can do it OK,it is going to be a tacked on feature to sell more graphics cards.If you look at total gaming revenue,PC only makes up 25% of it AFAIK,and lots of those games are MMOs,online shooters,etc which are not driven by appearance as the cartoony graphics is made to scale down to lower and and older systems. Then you have to consider the massive install base of gamers with non-RT capable graphics cards. So are developers suddenly going to drop all these gamers,by making a new fangled graphics card a necessity to run the game on?? I doubt it. Are people suddenly going to stop running some of those older games,or those popular ones which won't get RT updates. Nope. Developers will want to sell games,so they will make sure all those non RT systems will run them. If AMD and Nvidia want to drive RT forward we need very fast mainstream graphics cards which not only run RT well but also have excellent rasterised performance.
Lol guys.
Soldato
We are an enthusiast forum,so we are generally ahead of the curve. In the past consoles and PC didn't have much interaction with games,but to save on development costs,more titles are multi-platform which will put limits on how much they can push RT into the games IMHO. Hence,why consoles need to be able to do it in a meaningful way,and why world+dog pc gamer,has to have a graphics card which can do it in some way. The install base will be big enough. Look at features like a number of Gameworks features like Hairworks. Very nice looking but with a large performance hit,hence why so many reviews test with it off and many gamers probably have to switch it off due to the performance hit. If Nvidia does a GTX970 like moment with the RTX3060/RTX3070 and we have a good performance jump overall,maybe it will help. But the market is so stagnant,they can probably add +25% and all the review sites with swoon at the performance increase,and that will be that!
Now that the consoles are x86 based it's just going to be parity with their hardware spec (which atm is like 5+ year old AMD stuff), because it's a lot cheaper to just port them across "as is" than start redoing textures etc. for PCs with higher specs.
We don't get many games raising the bar graphics wise like we did in the 90s and 00s. There are already a bunch of new features (like mGPU) which developers could use to make games run better or look nicer, but don't, because 99% of modern AAA games are console ports and consoles can't use them.
RT isn't going to take off until proper RT capable consoles arrive. Then games will be built from the ground up using RT and it won't just be a feature slapped on later like it is now.
We don't get many games raising the bar graphics wise like we did in the 90s and 00s. There are already a bunch of new features (like mGPU) which developers could use to make games run better or look nicer, but don't, because 99% of modern AAA games are console ports and consoles can't use them.
RT isn't going to take off until proper RT capable consoles arrive. Then games will be built from the ground up using RT and it won't just be a feature slapped on later like it is now.
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Mid Range cards are not fast enough for 4k gaming which is getting pretty popular now..
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