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For the very simple reason that it can take months for it to work its way through the courts. Trump would have taken it all the way to the Supreme Court and it would have been smack in the middle of the 2020 election by that time. It's the same reason they didn't go to court over the documents they requested. There is an argument they should have gone to the lowest court, won that case and then not wasted any more time on it. They decided not to bother.

Do you or do you not believe that this is the way the system is setup?

It was not setup that way specifically for Trump, it's the same for all presidents.

So feel free to answer that as honestly as you can.

Others cannot.
 
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Both Durham and Barr came out a few hours after the IG report and said they disagree with Horowitz's assertions that "no spying occurred"

Durham is the guy that makes sure investigators are doing the job correctly, the IG report was obviously not completely truthful.

Why is it that so difficult to understand?

Why wouldn't you listen to the top dog?

Hmm I wonder if those 2 political appointees could have been trying to give their boss some political cover?? The independent IG (appointed by the Trump administration) is now a liar is he? So are all his staff? Wow the mental gymnastics you perform are incredible. If/when Durham presents this evidence then you can argue it but until then there is no evidence to support spying.
 
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Why did you talk about assassination?

I said "at worst kill" in the post which i think you are referring to. That is what the texts could have implied.

But as i said, i am happy that this was seemingly not the case and it was instead just drunken ramblings.

You have to remember Yovanovitch was told to leave Ukraine because of threats to her “security,”

There is also now a criminal investigation into this as well:

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...al-investigation-into-alleged-threats-against
 
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Hmm I wonder if those 2 political appointees could have been trying to give their boss some political cover?? The independent IG (appointed by the Trump administration) is now a liar is he? So are all his staff? Wow the mental gymnastics you perform are incredible. If/when Durham presents this evidence then you can argue it but until then there is no evidence to support spying.

No he wasn't. Horowitz was picked by Obama.

Why did both Barr and Durham say they disagreed with the IG report, if they are just doing it for a laugh. Why are you ignoring that? I don't understand
 
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I said "at worst kill" in the post which i think you are referring to. That is what the texts could have implied.

But as i said, i am happy that this was seemingly not the case and it was instead just drunken ramblings.

You have to remember Yovanovitch was told to leave Ukraine because of threats to her “security,”

There is also now a criminal investigation into this as well:

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...al-investigation-into-alleged-threats-against


So you were speculating? Why?
 
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Do you or do you not believe that this is the way the system is setup?

It was not setup that way specifically for Trump, it's the same for all presidents.

So feel free to answer that as honestly as you can.

Others cannot.

Sorry are you saying that the Dems should have waited months for it to work its way up the federal court system, all the way to the SC? That could have easily meant the investigation was still going on in Aug/Sept 2020 and then the impeachment Sept/Oct with the election in Nov. Yeah that wouldn't cause any political problems would it. If this had happened a year earlier I suspect they would have pursued it through the courts. With the election being so close that simply wasn't an option. There is nothing that says they have to pursue it all the way through the federal courts.
 
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Deflection. Answer my question first.
It's not deflection. If he provides genuine proof, why would I dispute? But as I said Trump had been wrong on pretty much all accusations when it comes to Obama. If the proof is there, his seniority is irrelevant as I said.

So again - if he comes up with nothing. What will your position be?
 
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So you were speculating? Why?

Are you trying to spin this around to say that you are just speculating?

Because i have no problem with that. I don't believe there to be any real proof of your accusation. But sure, you can speculate on it if you want. Doesn't mean Obama actually did it like you said earlier.

The trouble is, unlike me, nothing will seemingly change your view. An independent IG report has come out completely debunking all of it, yet because Trump's own AG (no bias there!) "thinks" there was spying, you still think it happened.
 
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It's not deflection. If he provides genuine proof, why would I dispute? But as I said Trump had been wrong on pretty much all accusations when it comes to Obama. If the proof is there, his seniority is irrelevant as I said.

So again - if he comes up with nothing. What will your position be?

Well he's already said that he disagreed with Horowitz's report that no spying occurred, he superscedes Horowitz, i would say the baseline should be to go with what he's saying for the moment. Not take your position, saying he's irrelevant. It's like saying Biden made a statement saying "The Deepwater Horizon spill will not cause any problems" for Obama to come out and say "that's not correct Joe". Who would you listen to as your base position? Biden? Obama?
 
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Are you trying to spin this around to say that you are just speculating?

Because i have no problem with that. I don't believe there to be any real proof of your accusation. But sure, you can speculate on it if you want. Doesn't mean Obama actually did it like you said earlier.

The trouble is, unlike me, nothing will seemingly change your view. An independent IG report has come out completely debunking all of it, yet because Trump's own AG (no bias there!) "thinks" there was spying, you still think it happened.

Yea i am winding you up a bit, just be a little more accommodating to other peoples views eh.
 
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Yea i am winding you up a bit, just be a little more accommodating to other peoples views eh.

But there is a big difference between speculation and just outright saying that something is fact/happened.

It is also important to change your view once, new evidence and information has come to light.
 
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But there is a big difference between speculation and just outright saying that something is fact/happened.

You literally said that a US ambassador was going to be assassinated, you are in no position to be explaining fact/speculation to me lol

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. We have more for evidence to suggest the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign that you did when claiming a US ambassador was going to be assassinated.
 
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Sorry are you saying that the Dems should have waited months for it to work its way up the federal court system, all the way to the SC? That could have easily meant the investigation was still going on in Aug/Sept 2020 and then the impeachment Sept/Oct with the election in Nov. Yeah that wouldn't cause any political problems would it. If this had happened a year earlier I suspect they would have pursued it through the courts. With the election being so close that simply wasn't an option. There is nothing that says they have to pursue it all the way through the federal courts.

Stop deflecting and answer the question.
 
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Killed then..

"at worst kill" - as in it could be interpreted at worst that this is what they were talking about.

and at that time, that is what those documents did reveal (and still do, but we do have someone saying they thought the man saying these things was crazy/drunk).

Because of that new information, i am not 100% sure there was such a plot (thankfully).
 
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"at worst.."

and at that time, that is what those documents did reveal (and still do, but we do have someone saying they thought the man saying these things was crazy/drunk).

Because of that new information, i am not 100% sure there was such a plot (thankfully).

Yea, my point still stands. You can't criticise other people whilst partaking in that very thing.
 
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