AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.

Boomstick777 · 28 Jan 2020 at 17:05

LePhuronn said:
The 4000 APUs announced at CES, or other ones?

A quick look at Anandtech's 2400G review shows that APU was already nip-and-tuck with the GT 1030.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12425/marrying-vega-and-zen-the-amd-ryzen-5-2400g-review/5

The Renoir APUs announced at CES have Vega CUs "59% faster than previously" (so that should handily beat the GT 1030) and come in 6 and 8 core flavours, with both 15W and 45W designs.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1532...-apus-7nm-8core-on-both-15w-and-45w-coming-q1

Granted, the CES announcement is laptop parts, not desktop parts, but if the laptop parts can do this, the bigger desktop versions should scream.

That's exactly what you're after, no? Just gotta hang on until desktop parts land...

HeX said:
Zen 2 desktop APU's will be out this year and will use the new tweaked more efficient Vega cores like those used in the recently released 4000-series laptop APUs.

Next year will bring the Navi APUs.

Yeah 6 or 8 core with GPU at least GT 1030 is what I'm after. So desktop parts might come this year ? Man chip like that would be popular with HTPC crowd. Probably good for e sports gamers too. Probably sell a ton.

LePhuronn · 28 Jan 2020 at 17:09

Desktop versions are usually a couple months out. So I'd say we'd hear more about March maybe?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Feb 2020 at 15:42

The first review of a Renoir APU:
https://translate.google.com/transl...ockers.ua/notebook/acer-swift-3-sf314-42/all/

It is for a Ryzen 5 4500U APU which is 6C/6T. Here is the same model but with an Intel CPU and an Nvidia MX250:
https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...ckers.ua/notebook/acer-swift-3-sf314-56g/all/

Battery life is better than the Intel equivalent,and even in 3DMark,the graphics score is only 10% to 15% higher for the MX250 - remember the Ryzen 5 4500U does not have the full IGP enabled either.

humbug · 5 Feb 2020 at 15:58

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The first review of a Renoir APU:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&tab=TT&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https://www.overclockers.ua/notebook/acer-swift-3-sf314-42/all/

It is for a Ryzen 5 4500U APU which is 6C/6T. Here is the same model but with an Intel CPU and an Nvidia MX250:
https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.overclockers.ua/notebook/acer-swift-3-sf314-56g/all/

Battery life is better than the Intel equivalent,and even in 3DMark,the graphics score is only 10% to 15% higher for the MX250 - remember the Ryzen 5 4500U does not have the full IGP enabled either.

That's great but i don't understand why they don't actually compare them to Intel equivalents, its like this across the industry, why is it so difficult for them? AMD have had 8 core 16 thread laptops for a couple of years and while some Laptop reviews talked about them you would never find a direct comparison with Intel mobile parts.

It seems they are doing the same thing again, they review AMD Laptops but will not compare them properly to Intel's equivalents, why not? Its like Intel want their Mobile parts to exist in a vacuum.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 5 Feb 2020 at 17:13

humbug said:
That's great but i don't understand why they don't actually compare them to Intel equivalents, its like this across the industry, why is it so difficult for them? AMD have had 8 core 16 thread laptops for a couple of years and while some Laptop reviews talked about them you would never find a direct comparison with Intel mobile parts.

It seems they are doing the same thing again, they review AMD Laptops but will not compare them properly to Intel's equivalents, why not? Its like Intel want their Mobile parts to exist in a vacuum.

Well also more the fact they already tested the Intel equivalent already,but the Ryzen 4000 APUs are shaping up to look pretty decent IMHO.

LePhuronn · 5 Feb 2020 at 17:13

humbug said:
they review AMD Laptops but will not compare them properly to Intel's equivalents, why not?

Because the equivalent Intel laptop would get utterly humiliated. Laptop is truly the last consumer space Intel have a stranglehold on, but now AMD are in a position to take even that away. Tiger Lake vs Zen 3+Navi will be very interesting, but until then Renoir has all the potential to bend Intel over and do unto them what Intel did unto us for a decade.

And Intel will fight tooth and nail with all of their dirty tricks to stop it.

humbug · 5 Feb 2020 at 18:14

LePhuronn said:
Because the equivalent Intel laptop would get utterly humiliated. Laptop is truly the last consumer space Intel have a stranglehold on, but now AMD are in a position to take even that away. Tiger Lake vs Zen 3+Navi will be very interesting, but until then Renoir has all the potential to bend Intel over and do unto them what Intel did unto us for a decade.

And Intel will fight tooth and nail with all of their dirty tricks to stop it.

I'm glad you told it how it is.....

Perfect_Chaos · 6 Feb 2020 at 11:39

Ordered a spare kit of Crucial 3200 16GB yesterday, couldn't resist at £54, slower than my 32GB kit but might come in handy. Doubt prices will go that low again for a while on RAM now.

Wonder when we'll get more news/leaks on Zen 3.

nzaptx · 6 Feb 2020 at 16:39

Probably going for an upgrade this year from a r5 1600/b350, would a 4600 (assuming 6core) be better off or go for 3700x which should be a lot cheaper later this year. I don't plan on upgrading again for 4-5 years.

Grim5 · 6 Feb 2020 at 17:53

nzaptx said:
Probably going for an upgrade this year from a r5 1600/b350, would a 4600 (assuming 6core) be better off or go for 3700x which should be a lot cheaper later this year. I don't plan on upgrading again for 4-5 years.

id get the higher core count

but while the core counts are not likely to change for the 4000 series if you wait until they are out you will get the 3700x at a good discount

MG42Maniac · 6 Feb 2020 at 20:24

I will grab the 16C/32T when it is released, will be a nce upgrade from my 2700X.

Brumboy · 7 Feb 2020 at 09:31

Would be nice if the 4700x is about 10%-20% faster in games and around £300, will definitely jump on that!

opethdisciple · 7 Feb 2020 at 12:52

Rossuk89 said:
Would be nice if the 4700x is about 10%-20% faster in games and around £300, will definitely jump on that!

Would be a thing of beauty. Even 10% would be massive.

FoxEye · 7 Feb 2020 at 13:05

Rossuk89 said:
Would be nice if the 4700x is about 10%-20% faster in games and around £300, will definitely jump on that!

Think that's roughly what I'm going to aim for. What was the initial 3700X UK price? $329 so probably £300 or so.

Bounce · 7 Feb 2020 at 13:10

MG42Maniac said:
I will grab the 16C/32T when it is released, will be a nce upgrade from my 2700X.

What would you need 16 cores for lol

MG42Maniac · 7 Feb 2020 at 13:36

Bounce said:
What would you need 16 cores for lol

"Future proofing"

. I figured that if the next gen consoles are all rocking an underclocked 3700X then you want to make sure you have plenty of other cores spare for windows and other crap. I always want to feel like it's a big step up in overall performance so doubling the cores and adding a lot of extra IPC seems like a good shout.

~>Dg<~ · 7 Feb 2020 at 14:02

if you stream do video editing those cores make a big difference especially on big projects.

Brumboy · 7 Feb 2020 at 15:08

opethdisciple said:
Would be a thing of beauty. Even 10% would be massive.

From what I've read it should be at least 15%. I was very close to getting a 3600 or 3700x but my CPU is fine at the moment (i5 4690k), my setup is almost 5 years old now but desperate for a new change!

I think 8 cores is the better decision right now, just like a 4790k has quite a bit more longevity than a 4690k because of HT. I feel the same with 6 cores v 8 cores.

Brumboy · 7 Feb 2020 at 15:11

FoxEye said:
Think that's roughly what I'm going to aim for. What was the initial 3700X UK price? $329 so probably £300 or so.

I think it was £319? So should be around that price range, but then you have the fact that the 3700x will drop in price so it'll be the same old 25%-40% more money for a 4700x over 3700x for 10%-20% more performance.

FoxEye · 7 Feb 2020 at 15:13

Rossuk89 said:
From what I've read it should be at least 15%. I was very close to getting a 3600 or 3700x but my CPU is fine at the moment (i5 4690k), my setup is almost 5 years old now but desperate for a new change!

I think 8 cores is the better decision right now, just like a 4790k has quite a bit more longevity than a 4690k because of HT. I feel the same with 6 cores v 8 cores.

For anyone like me who upgrades every 5-8 years, 8 cores is a must. Anything less would be a waste of time.

Brumboy · 7 Feb 2020 at 15:16

FoxEye said:
For anyone like me who upgrades every 5-8 years, 8 cores is a must. Anything less would be a waste of time.

Exactly, I normally spend around £200ish on CPU's but will definitely go for one tier up this time. Plus aren't the next gen consoles getting the 3700x? So makes no sense getting anything less than that if you can afford it.