NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

TheRealDeal · 30 Jan 2020 at 16:27

BigBANGtheory said:
No because the 980Ti boosts/overclocks very well close to stock 1080 levels of performance. I'd say you're looking at 35% for a 1080Ti or 70% for a 2080Ti with some margin either way depending on the game or API being used etc..

On release maybe but Maxwell hasn't aged to well from what i have seen in newer games. Overclocking ain't bringing the 980ti anywhere close to a 35% gap.

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https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,15.html 1080ti is 73% faster than 980ti at 1440p

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https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,17.html 1080ti is 75% faster than 980ti at 1440p

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,19.html 1080ti is 68% faster than 980ti at 1440p

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,20.html 1080ti is 65% faster than 980ti at 1440p

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,21.html 1080ti is 77% faster than 980ti at 1440p

nashathedog · 30 Jan 2020 at 17:01

Calin Banc said:
So that people will buy nVIDIA still at lower prices.

Consoles will do that as well (still AMD indirectly).

~~I don't think AMD has to overpass nVIDIA by much.~~ 90% the performance at 50% or lower the price will do. ~~It worked with Intel. "Keep it Ryzen".~~

I don't think that's ever gonna happen,

We've already seen that AMD intend to screw us just as hard on pricing as Nvidia, The lack of competition allowed Nvidia to up their prices & as we saw with the Radeon VII & RTX 2080 AMD intend to match pricing to performance even if it's performance doesn't consistently keep up with the competitors card in question.

nashathedog · 30 Jan 2020 at 17:04

TNA said:
~~Cyberpunk 2077,~~ Dying Light 2, Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines 2, Resident Evil 3 Ramake, System Shock Remake.

On my PS4 Pro got RE3 Remake and Final Fantasy 7 Remake on pre-order. Got a bunch of PS4 exclusives that will keep me busy until they come out in April.

I was gutted to hear that DL2 has been delayed with no new release date available, It might not even be this year now.

DazQ87 · 30 Jan 2020 at 17:06

I think it's fair to say we, as customers, have screwed ourselves on pricing.

If people refused to pay high prices they would come down.

Also people only wanted AMD to be competitive so they could buy cheaper Nvidia cards, even when AMD had better cards in the past people still bought Nvidia. I can't blame AMD for upping their prices at this point, they might as well make some money on the cards they do sell.

Kelt · 30 Jan 2020 at 17:08

At best, Nvidia will charge the same for the 3 series as Turing.

In reality, we all know the prices will rise, and their excuse will be "well you're getting an (insert % here) increase in performance."

FoxEye · 30 Jan 2020 at 18:21

Richdog said:
Why would they be "perfectly happy" to give up over half of their entire business? It's a non-sensical question without any thought behind it and Nvidia are in reality only putting more effort into boosting the gaming market.

Well that's just not true from where I'm sitting.

Unless you think pricing gamers out of buying their products, and making a sloppy effort to use compute cards (Volta/Turing) as gaming cards (Tensor "AI" cores, etc) as "putting more effort into the gaming market".

They are behaving, frankly, as if gaming is the secondary concern. RTX cards were born of a massively compute focused architecture, shoe-horned into gaming cards.

Quartz · 30 Jan 2020 at 18:28

TheRealDeal said:
On release maybe

Are those figures VRAM constrained?

It doesn't matter anyway: I had to choose long ago and at that point sufficient performance wasn't there to justify the cost.

markoboyo11 · 30 Jan 2020 at 19:12

I think the 3000 series will be slightly cheaper than 2000 series and people will think they are getting a bargain = big win for nvidia.
Then 4000 series will go back to 2000 prices and no one will batter an eye lid as it's only went up a bit = big win for nvidia.

Gpu enthusiasts are so gullible

Grim5 · 30 Jan 2020 at 19:15

VincentHanna said:
My main thing is HDMI 2.1 support.

I want to take advantage of my LG C9.

Very Very true! TBH I'd buy a new GPU as long as it has HDMI 2.1 even if its the same speed as my 2080ti, the extra features of HDMI 2.1 make it worth it to fully unlock my LG C9 potential

Grim5 · 30 Jan 2020 at 19:15

BigBANGtheory said:
No because the 980Ti boosts/overclocks very well close to stock 1080 levels of performance. I'd say you're looking at 35% for a 1080Ti or 70% for a 2080Ti with some margin either way depending on the game or API being used etc..

The 900 series are the last Nvidia cards that offer good overclocking potential.
I've heard you can get an extra 40% performance out of a 980ti with a good overclock and the card on water.

Where as the 2080ti, even on water gains 15%

FoxEye · 30 Jan 2020 at 19:33

Grim5 said:
The 900 series are the last Nvidia cards that offer good overclocking potential.
I've heard you can get an extra 40% performance out of a 980ti with a good overclock and the card on water.

Where as the 2080ti, even on water gains 15%

Isn't that mostly due to the new cards being more intelligent, and boosting to the absolute max they can within their power/heat envelope? In which case that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

Grim5 · 30 Jan 2020 at 19:52

FoxEye said:
Isn't that mostly due to the new cards being more intelligent, and boosting to the absolute max they can within their power/heat envelope? In which case that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

Pretty much, the boosting algorithms have evolved so much that the cards are basically self overclocking within the power and voltage limits set by the BIOS.

I think though what sets the 980ti apart, is that it had a massive performance increase over it's predecessor and it still had a huge amount spare in the tank.

The 1080ti had a massive increase over its predecessor, but little left in the tank.
The 2080ti had a small increase over its predecessor and little left in the tank.

McGraw · 30 Jan 2020 at 20:00

markoboyo11 said:
I think the 3000 series will be slightly cheaper than 2000 series and people will think they are getting a bargain = big win for nvidia.
Then 4000 series will go back to 2000 prices and no one will batter an eye lid as it's only went up a bit = big win for nvidia.

Gpu enthusiasts are so gullible

Ssh, you'll give Scottish fish and chip shops ideas.

TNA · 30 Jan 2020 at 20:40

Kelt said:
excuse will be "well you're getting an (insert % here) increase in performance.

But that don't make sense as all these years performance went up and prices stayed similar. If price always went up with performance, after a few gens cards would be costing like cars, then like houses.

BigBANGtheory · 30 Jan 2020 at 21:11

TheRealDeal said:
On release maybe but Maxwell hasn't aged to well from what i have seen in newer games. Overclocking ain't bringing the 980ti anywhere close to a 35% gap.

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,14.html 1080ti is 150% faster than 980ti at 1440p

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,15.html 1080ti is 73% faster than 980ti at 1440p

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,16.html 1080ti is 72% faster than 980ti at 1440p

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,17.html 1080ti is 75% faster than 980ti at 1440p

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,19.html 1080ti is 68% faster than 980ti at 1440p

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,20.html 1080ti is 65% faster than 980ti at 1440p

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5600_xt_6g_review,21.html 1080ti is 77% faster than 980ti at 1440p

What I'm a looking at here? A ton of DX12 which isn't worth anything atm, notoriously driver gimped and a non-overclocked 980Ti to boot. When you look at a 980Ti you should be thinking 'not quite a stock 1080' unless you choose to leave it at stock because that is how it performs. So yes if by newer games you mean DX12 only but seriously what out of 'the newer games' is actually worth playing? Metro Exodus maybe (which supports DX11) and RDR2 which is a console port with known performance issues.

BigBANGtheory · 30 Jan 2020 at 21:12

Grim5 said:
The 900 series are the last Nvidia cards that offer good overclocking potential.
I've heard you can get an extra 40% performance out of a 980ti with a good overclock and the card on water.

Where as the 2080ti, even on water gains 15%

Yes this does seem to be the reality we live in, power profiles and god knows what else

Kelt · 30 Jan 2020 at 21:27

TNA said:
But that don't make sense as all these years performance went up and prices stayed similar. If price always went up with performance, after a few gens cards would be costing like cars, then like houses.

Well I bought a top of the range Voodoo 2 card for less than ninety pounds at a computer fair in the late nineties.

Tell me where I can buy the current top of the range card for the equivalent (with inflation) couple of hundred quid today?

TNA · 30 Jan 2020 at 21:42

Kelt said:
Well I bought a top of the range Voodoo 2 card for less than ninety pounds at a computer fair in the late nineties.

Tell me where I can buy the current top of the range card for the equivalent (with inflation) couple of hundred quid today?

Ok, so if we play that game. In order to avoid currency fluctuations let’s just work in dollars. The Voodoo 2 release price was $200 in 1998 and in today’s money that is $313. Lets round that down to $300. Now let’s look at the 2080Ti price in dollars. Computer says $1200. So, that is 4x increase in price right?

Now, are you going to site there and tell me the 2080Ti is not more than 4 times the performance of a Voodoo 2 card? So, now look back at my comment and tell me if you still think it is wrong

Price for performance is always expected to improve for god sakes!

TheRealDeal · 30 Jan 2020 at 22:02

Quartz said:
Are those figures VRAM constrained?

It doesn't matter anyway: I had to choose long ago and at that point sufficient performance wasn't there to justify the cost.

No the 980ti with 6gb at 1440p should be fine as there are also 4gb cards in there.

TheRealDeal · 30 Jan 2020 at 22:05

BigBANGtheory said:
What I'm a looking at here? A ton of DX12 which isn't worth anything atm, notoriously driver gimped and a non-overclocked 980Ti to boot. When you look at a 980Ti you should be thinking 'not quite a stock 1080' unless you choose to leave it at stock because that is how it performs. So yes if by newer games you mean DX12 only but seriously what out of 'the newer games' is actually worth playing? Metro Exodus maybe (which supports DX11) and RDR2 which is a console port with known performance issues.

No there are dx11 games in there as well and o0ne the witcher 3 shows a 77% difference. Maxwell is old now and no amount of overclocking is making up the difference to 35%. Remember that NV cards once they are last gen lose performance over time to the newer cards.