That's the Nvidia tax. People will always pay more for an nvidia card.
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AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year
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Some people will yes. I certainly wont.
On a side note about driver instability, i'm fairly certain that it's windows being a bit silly again, cause from my own limited testing, no issues have been had using older windows builds.
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The RTX 2070S IS a superior GPU. It IS faster and it has RTX (Ray Tracing) - It warrants a higher price tag, this is regardless of if games are currently utilising RTX and as to what level.
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Yes it is, as not only is it faster, its also got more hardware, as its also got RT Cores on it, to do Ray Tracing, and its also got Tensor Cores, to do DLSS.
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DLSS is basically dead, and I am sorry but you could put a coffee maker on it but if I don't drink coffee it doesn't add value to the card.
It is the faster card though, not by much but it is.
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I use DLSS all the time . Even on my TV at home. Take my reading glasses smother them in lube and voila , DLSS on the cheap.
Hence I don't mind spending extra £...not to mention ze epeeen with tensioner rtx cores.
On a serious note. This is thread is about big Navi not 2700s Vs 5700xt. Both cards are good. So buy whatever card you want and enjoy .
Hence I don't mind spending extra £...not to mention ze epeeen with tensioner rtx cores.
On a serious note. This is thread is about big Navi not 2700s Vs 5700xt. Both cards are good. So buy whatever card you want and enjoy .
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I drink coffee though, a lot.
Except you don't need RT cores to do ray tracing. nVidia claim to have worked on this tech for 10 years yet non of their research papers on Ray Tracing going back 10 years mention any sort of specialized hardware only the need for more FLOPS. nVidia really loves their closed ecosystem and are willing to use hardware as the lock even when it isn't necessary. I personally am not interested in this approach when it comes to gaming market because locked ecosystems leads to higher prices and no consumer in their right mind wants this.
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Put the idea forward, maybe we can combine the 2 somehow. Use Furmark to warm the coffee up.
Do we really need or want another Fermi 1st gen?
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+1!
The tensor cores on the RTX cards are designed for machine learning, where NVidia took a computation die and used it as a gaming die. It is like they were desperately looking for a way to use the cores and RTX was the result.
Keep in mind that the RTX dies are absolutely massive for their TFLOPs due to tensor cores, so they just passed that cost onto the consumer.
For example, RTX2080's 13.6B transistors and 545mm2 die vs. GTX1080ti's 11.8B transistors and 471mm2 die. The 1080ti has ~10% better performance. Go figure.
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Do we really need or want another Fermi 1st gen?
If Fermi came with a built in coffee maker it would have sold even better than it did.
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In retrospect the collaboration with George Foreman didn't pan out, so coffee could've been a better choice. Not a lot of gaming gets done when you're full of steak.
That and the lack of choice for those of us seeking to play games @ 4K without compromising on settings. A lack of competition from AMD certainly played a part.
No they don't
When AMD/ATI had the fastest card available they were priced higher then Nvidia cards at the time (Some examples being 9800pro, x1900xt-x)
The x1900xt-x was up against the 7800GTX at the time
I can't remember now which nvidia GPU's were against the 9700pro & 9800pro at the time
As far back as I can remember which ever company had the fastest GPU available also charged the highest price
Someone correct me if am wrong
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Exactly, they're both over-priced!
No they don't
When AMD/ATI had the fastest card available they were priced higher then Nvidia cards at the time (Some examples being 9800pro, x1900xt-x)
The x1900xt-x was up against the 7800GTX at the time
I can't remember now which nvidia GPU's were against the 9700pro & 9800pro at the time
As far back as I can remember which ever company had the fastest GPU available also charged the highest price
Someone correct me if am wrong
Just a nit pick, AMD had **** all to do with them cards.
IIRC the HD5870 was the fastest for a while and was cheaper than NV's equivalent
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So perhaps show some restraint? Is the need to play games at 4K really so important it's worth any cost?
Not any cost, no. However my PC sits next to the TV in the front room and 1080P didn’t look anywhere near as good as 4K, and having built a new PC the options were very limited. The 1080Ti wasn’t good enough, the 2080Ti was just about.
Cost was ridiculous of course but what was the other option? Wait for Nvidia/AMD to release cheap cards that are worthwhile for 4K?
We’re still waiting for those and I’ve had my 2080Ti virtually since launch.
I'd like to see something clarified. RTX cards are either faster or they have RTX, not both. A 2070S is faster than a 5700XT until you turn RTX on, then it's slower.
I see it time and again, people arguing that more FPS is worth the Nvidia tax then cite RTX when it gets close as further justification, promptly tanking the superior frame rate!
Which is it? More fps is better or RTX? Sadly we can't have both...yet
I see it time and again, people arguing that more FPS is worth the Nvidia tax then cite RTX when it gets close as further justification, promptly tanking the superior frame rate!
Which is it? More fps is better or RTX? Sadly we can't have both...yet
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