is my system bottlenecking ?

robwigan · 11 Feb 2020 at 23:39

As a bit of an idiot was this a stupid buy

I bought a rtx 260 and a used 144p 144hz rog swift monitor

the rest of my system is old however
i54670
8gb ddr3
and a motherboard that hasnt been made for years I think gigabyte zx21 but could be wrong

does my cpu need an upgrade to get the most out of.my card if I'm trying to play at 1440p?

EsaT · 12 Feb 2020 at 08:30

Asking should be done before buying.

2060 isn't really 2560x1440 GPU without cutting down settings. (except for 60Hz)
And while 2060 Super is little better its price would have likely gotten more powerfull Radeon 5700 XT
Nvidia likes overcharging per performance.
And hope you didn't pay much for that monitor.
Four out six monitors fitting that "search criteria" use cheapo TN panels and all have Nvidia's closed proprietary G-Sync syncing your butt into Nvidia for continued pay of overprices, if you want to be able to use variable refresh rate.

£360 would have gotten new IPS monitor without any proprietary crap.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...r400-widescreen-gaming-monitor-mo-14b-ac.html

Bottlenecking depends on games.
If you play only old games and those designed for Intel stagnation era hardware then it does decently.
But something like Assassin's Creed Odyssey is bottlenecked to sub 60fps by that old quad core regardless of GPU.

Drumroll · 12 Feb 2020 at 08:47

Likely to be the whole system, I'm afraid. At 2k, even changing for a 300 series Ryzen or the EOL Intel platform, would just change the struggle to the GPU.

Marine-RX179 · 12 Feb 2020 at 11:42

MrPotato said:
Likely to be the whole system, I'm afraid. At 2k, even changing for a 300 series Ryzen or the EOL Intel platform, would just change the struggle to the GPU.

^This.

The i5 4670 with 4 cores and cannot be overclocked will be a bottleneck even the 2060 at 1080p/1440p.

robwigan · 12 Feb 2020 at 15:12

EsaT said:
Asking should be done before buying.

2060 isn't really 2560x1440 GPU without cutting down settings. (except for 60Hz)
And while 2060 Super is little better its price would have likely gotten more powerfull Radeon 5700 XT
Nvidia likes overcharging per performance.
And hope you didn't pay much for that monitor.
Four out six monitors fitting that "search criteria" use cheapo TN panels and all have Nvidia's closed proprietary G-Sync syncing your butt into Nvidia for continued pay of overprices, if you want to be able to use variable refresh rate.

£360 would have gotten new IPS monitor without any proprietary crap.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...r400-widescreen-gaming-monitor-mo-14b-ac.html

Bottlenecking depends on games.
If you play only old games and those designed for Intel stagnation era hardware then it does decently.
But something like Assassin's Creed Odyssey is bottlenecked to sub 60fps by that old quad core regardless of GPU.

The monitor was used I only paid 120.00 for it

the card was bought on release also so none of these where recent purchases I'm just wondering what to do in terms of improving the system, reading the replies seems I need to junk my cpu gpu and monitor haha

Danny75 · 12 Feb 2020 at 15:51

No need to junk GPU and monitor. Upgrade CPU/mobo/RAM. Upgrade GPU another time, if the games you play demand better on the settings you like.

Marine-RX179 · 12 Feb 2020 at 15:55

robwigan said:
The monitor was used I only paid 120.00 for it

the card was bought on release also so none of these where recent purchases I'm just wondering what to do in terms of improving the system, reading the replies seems I need to junk my cpu gpu and monitor haha

I think EsaT might have missed the part where you said you already bought a Asus 1440p 144hz ROG Swift monitor (which support Gsync I believe?), and if you only paid £120 for it, then it was an absolute steal!!

IMO you really just need to upgrade your CPU and platform (motherboard and ram etc) to a AMD Ryzen 3600/3700x with a decent B450 motherboard and you'd be good. The 2060 6GB should do "ok", unless you really want more ohm then may be you can upgrade the graphic card as well on a later date.

robwigan · 12 Feb 2020 at 16:15

Marine-RX179 said:
I think EsaT might have missed the part where you said you already bought a Asus 1440p 144hz ROG Swift monitor (which support Gsync I believe?), and if you only paid £120 for it, then it was an absolute steal!!

IMO you really just need to upgrade your CPU and platform (motherboard and ram etc) to a AMD Ryzen 3600/3700x with a decent B450 motherboard and you'd be good. The 2060 6GB should do "ok", unless you really want more ohm then may be you can upgrade the graphic card as well on a later date.

Thanks

i have a gold rated 650 psu and good case that is it possible you could reccomend some good combos of cpu motherboard and ram suitable for a ryzen system? bit of a tight budget of £400 say and my case is standard size (ATX ? is it)

Marine-RX179 · 12 Feb 2020 at 16:28

robwigan said:
Thanks

i have a gold rated 650 psu and good case that is it possible you could reccomend some good combos of cpu motherboard and ram suitable for a ryzen system? bit of a tight budget of £400 say and my case is standard size (ATX ? is it)

That budget is perfect for the 3600 build.

For motherboard you can just grab the highly rated MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX at under £100 (make sure it is the MAX version you are getting not the older non-MAX one, as the MAX version come native with bios supporting Ryzen 3000 series should you decide to upgrade in the future);

Ryzen 3600/3600X for £160~£190;

16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz of your choice preferably with lower timing (C18 is ok, C16 even better...but ultimately it won't make noticeable performance difference) for around £80~£100 ish.

EsaT · 12 Feb 2020 at 16:32

robwigan said:
bit of a tight budget of £400 say and my case is standard size (ATX ? is it)

Ryzen 3600

6 core/12 thread Ryzen 3600 £200
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3b9-am.html
MSI B450 Tomahawk £99
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-b450-tomahawk-max-socket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33t-ms.html
2x8GB 3200MHz CL16 £69
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...-channel-kit-black-grey-tdged4-my-09p-tg.html
Onge of the best overclocking memories (would very likely do 3600MHz CL16) is £10 more.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...gb-kit-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-udimm-my-20b-cr.html

That would still leave room for good cooler.
Bundled is, well bundled, and not good at keeping CPU cooled under stress without noise.
Cheapest 3600MHz CL17 is ~£90.

robwigan · 12 Feb 2020 at 17:39

EsaT said:
Ryzen 3600

6 core/12 thread Ryzen 3600 £200
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/amd-...hz-socket-am4-processor-retail-cp-3b9-am.html
MSI B450 Tomahawk £99
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-b450-tomahawk-max-socket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-33t-ms.html
2x8GB 3200MHz CL16 £69
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...-channel-kit-black-grey-tdged4-my-09p-tg.html
Onge of the best overclocking memories (would very likely do 3600MHz CL16) is £10 more.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...gb-kit-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-udimm-my-20b-cr.html

That would still leave room for good cooler.
Bundled is, well bundled, and not good at keeping CPU cooled under stress without noise.
Cheapest 3600MHz CL17 is ~£90.

is there any other motherboards to consider or is that really THE one in my budget

EsaT · 12 Feb 2020 at 17:54

mATX size B450M Mortar would be £10 cheaper for little cheaper MOSFETs.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-b450m-mortar-max-socket-am4-ddr4-matx-motherboard-mb-348-ms.html
Anything lower and CPU VRM quality takes big hit and wouldn't want to use them with above 65W TDP CPUs, which would limit upgrading path.

Especially Tomahawk's VRM would run 12core decently offering very good upgrade path to keep PC going.

Gray2233 · 12 Feb 2020 at 20:14

I honestly don't think I'd shell out £200 for a 3600, I've seen them for as little as £150-160 of late.

I'd rather spend £85 on a 1600AF or £95-100 on a 2600.

Otherwise make use of the mid week deal on the 3700X for £250 OCUK currently has going.