Poll: *The Official PlayStation 5 (PS5) Thread*

Which PS5 Version will you likely buy?

  • Digital Only Version

    Votes: 171 16.1%
  • UHD Optical Version

    Votes: 660 62.3%
  • Unlikely to buy either

    Votes: 228 21.5%

  • Total voters
    1,059
Soldato
Joined
18 Feb 2015
Posts
6,484
$499 PS5 all but confirmed.

Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.
The Japanese conglomerate is preparing to gradually replace the six-year-old PS4 console, releasing its PlayStation 5 the same holiday season its archrival debuts the upcoming Xbox Series X. Sony typically finalizes a console’s price in February of the release year, followed by mass production in the spring. With the PS5, the company is taking a wait-and-see approach, said the people, asking not to be named because the details are private.
The PS4, released in 2013 at a retail price of $399, was estimated by IHS Markit to cost $381 to manufacture. With the $450 unit cost and a similar gross margin, the PlayStation 5’s retail price would have to be at least $470. That would be a hard sell to consumers, considering Sony’s most expensive machine now is the $399.99 PS4 Pro and is often discounted, according to Macquarie Capital analyst Damian Thong.
“Consumers will benchmark their expectations based on the PS4 Pro and PS4,” Thong said. “If Sony prices above that, it would likely be to balance a need to offset higher materials cost, against risk to demand.”
Sony declined to comment.
The company’s biggest headache is ensuring a reliable supply of DRAM and NAND flash memory, with both in high demand as smartphone makers gear up for fifth-generation devices, according to people familiar with Sony’s operations. Samsung Electronics Co. just announced its Galaxy S20 product range, each variant of which will have 5G and a minimum of 12GB of RAM in the U.S.
Videogame companies often sell hardware at thin margins or even at a loss because they profit from lucrative game software and recurring online subscription services. Sony’s Chief Executive Officer Kenichiro Yoshida has said the business should be judged by the number of active users, not the number of hardware units sold. Some Sony games staff think it should sell the new console at a loss if necessary to match Microsoft’s price, while other Sony executives would prefer to make money as the company did with the PS4.
“We must keep PlayStation 5’s bill of materials under our control and we need to make the correct number of units in the initial production,” Sony’s Chief Financial Officer Hiroki Totoki said at an earnings briefing earlier this month.
Most of the components for the console have been locked down, the people said, including the cooling system, which is unusually expensive at a few dollars per unit. Typically, companies would spend less than a dollar, but Sony opted to lavish more on making sure heat dissipation from the powerful chips housed inside the console isn’t an issue.
The ongoing coronavirus outbreak has had no impact so far on preparations for PlayStation 5 production, they said. The company has yet to decided how many PlayStation 5 units it will make in the first year, they added.
Separately, Sony plans to release a new version of the PlayStation VR virtual-reality headset, tentatively scheduled after the PlayStation 5 goes on sale, the people said.
Sony has already canceled some previously planned features for a new mirrorless camera due this year owing to the constrained DRAM supply, several people with knowledge of the matter said.
Sony executives are voicing patience about the next console’s pricing as they anticipate the transition to be a gradual one, said people familiar with its day-to-day operations. Many of the games launched for the PlayStation 5 will also be available to play on the predecessor machine, so revenue from software and related network services is expected to keep the business performance intact. Microsoft and Sony are both expanding their respective online subscription services, revenue from which may allow them greater flexibility on hardware pricing.
People within the PlayStation business unit said a key factor in deciding the ultimate PlayStation 5 retail price will be where Microsoft sets its price for the next-generation Xbox Series X. Microsoft is widely expected to hold that information back until the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles in June.
There is pressure from CFO Totoki for Sony to provide more transparency and information in the buildup to the PS5’s release, which has caused some consternation internally. Asked about when he expects Sony to provide guidance on the gaming business outlook for the new fiscal year, Totoki said the plan is no different from the recent past, meaning the guidance can be expected around the end of April.
If the company takes longer than usual, analysts may look to its next investor relations meeting to glean hints about the new console’s retail price. The company held that meeting in late May last year.
 
Last edited:
Soldato
Joined
4 Mar 2003
Posts
12,450
Location
Chatteris
$499 PS5 all but confirmed.

Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.
The Japanese conglomerate is preparing to gradually replace the six-year-old PS4 console, releasing its PlayStation 5 the same holiday season its archrival debuts the upcoming Xbox Series X. Sony typically finalizes a console’s price in February of the release year, followed by mass production in the spring. With the PS5, the company is taking a wait-and-see approach, said the people, asking not to be named because the details are private.
The PS4, released in 2013 at a retail price of $399, was estimated by IHS Markit to cost $381 to manufacture. With the $450 unit cost and a similar gross margin, the PlayStation 5’s retail price would have to be at least $470. That would be a hard sell to consumers, considering Sony’s most expensive machine now is the $399.99 PS4 Pro and is often discounted, according to Macquarie Capital analyst Damian Thong.
“Consumers will benchmark their expectations based on the PS4 Pro and PS4,” Thong said. “If Sony prices above that, it would likely be to balance a need to offset higher materials cost, against risk to demand.”
Sony declined to comment.
The company’s biggest headache is ensuring a reliable supply of DRAM and NAND flash memory, with both in high demand as smartphone makers gear up for fifth-generation devices, according to people familiar with Sony’s operations. Samsung Electronics Co. just announced its Galaxy S20 product range, each variant of which will have 5G and a minimum of 12GB of RAM in the U.S.
Videogame companies often sell hardware at thin margins or even at a loss because they profit from lucrative game software and recurring online subscription services. Sony’s Chief Executive Officer Kenichiro Yoshida has said the business should be judged by the number of active users, not the number of hardware units sold. Some Sony games staff think it should sell the new console at a loss if necessary to match Microsoft’s price, while other Sony executives would prefer to make money as the company did with the PS4.
“We must keep PlayStation 5’s bill of materials under our control and we need to make the correct number of units in the initial production,” Sony’s Chief Financial Officer Hiroki Totoki said at an earnings briefing earlier this month.
Most of the components for the console have been locked down, the people said, including the cooling system, which is unusually expensive at a few dollars per unit. Typically, companies would spend less than a dollar, but Sony opted to lavish more on making sure heat dissipation from the powerful chips housed inside the console isn’t an issue.
The ongoing coronavirus outbreak has had no impact so far on preparations for PlayStation 5 production, they said. The company has yet to decided how many PlayStation 5 units it will make in the first year, they added.
Separately, Sony plans to release a new version of the PlayStation VR virtual-reality headset, tentatively scheduled after the PlayStation 5 goes on sale, the people said.
Sony has already canceled some previously planned features for a new mirrorless camera due this year owing to the constrained DRAM supply, several people with knowledge of the matter said.
Sony executives are voicing patience about the next console’s pricing as they anticipate the transition to be a gradual one, said people familiar with its day-to-day operations. Many of the games launched for the PlayStation 5 will also be available to play on the predecessor machine, so revenue from software and related network services is expected to keep the business performance intact. Microsoft and Sony are both expanding their respective online subscription services, revenue from which may allow them greater flexibility on hardware pricing.
People within the PlayStation business unit said a key factor in deciding the ultimate PlayStation 5 retail price will be where Microsoft sets its price for the next-generation Xbox Series X. Microsoft is widely expected to hold that information back until the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles in June.
There is pressure from CFO Totoki for Sony to provide more transparency and information in the buildup to the PS5’s release, which has caused some consternation internally. Asked about when he expects Sony to provide guidance on the gaming business outlook for the new fiscal year, Totoki said the plan is no different from the recent past, meaning the guidance can be expected around the end of April.
If the company takes longer than usual, analysts may look to its next investor relations meeting to glean hints about the new console’s retail price. The company held that meeting in late May last year.

What - another price coming from anywhere other than Sony. But this one is more official than the other guesses?
 
Associate
Joined
2 Jul 2019
Posts
2,427
Even if official, what price can we expect in GBP. If the console works as intended, even £600 is worth the money imo. My XB1 has felt like a £100 console since i bought it 5yrs ago.
 
Caporegime
Joined
28 Oct 2003
Posts
31,895
Location
Chestershire
Im hoping those few dollars on cooling will tame the turbine so it doesn't sound like my pro:p.

You can read it two ways.

i) The APU does indeed contain the GPU running at 2GHz and the cooling is needed to keep the temps down but you'll still end up with noise in intensive games.
ii) The aim was to reduce the overall system fan noise to Xbox One levels with the APU not being quite so exotic.
 
Soldato
Joined
22 Mar 2007
Posts
3,875
Even if official, what price can we expect in GBP. If the console works as intended, even £600 is worth the money imo. My XB1 has felt like a £100 console since i bought it 5yrs ago.

I can't see £600, that would make the PS5 the most expensive console Sony have ever launched, and by quite some margin. For reference, the PS1 and PS2 were both £299.99, the PS3 was £429 (and got heavily criticised for that launch price), and the PS4 was £349. Sony are apparently waiting for MS to announce a price before committing to announcing one themselves, so I'd expect both consoles to be pretty similar in price, particularly given that they're both supposed to have pretty similar internals.

Unlike a lot of companies Sony don't tend to just take the dollar launch price and convert it to pounds sterling (the PS4 was $399 in the USA), so I'd hazard a guess the PS5 UK launch price will be somewhere between £399 and £450.
 
Soldato
Joined
2 Nov 2003
Posts
5,531
Unlike a lot of products Sony don't tend to just take the dollar launch price and convert it to pounds sterling (the PS4 was $399 in the USA), so I'd hazard a guess the UK launch price will be somewhere between £399 and £450.

It's costing them $450 to make so i imagine it will be more like £499 here and then the shops will only sell bundles for £500+.
 
Soldato
Joined
22 Mar 2007
Posts
3,875
It's costing them $450 to make so i imagine it will be more like £499 here and then the shops will only sell bundles for £500+.

You could be right, but history doesn't support that. The PS2 cost $480 to make, the PS3 a ridiculous $840 at launch (though they were able to reduce those manufacturing costs quite significantly over time), and the PS4 $381. Based on that it does show that Sony are willing to either absorb a loss - a significant one in the case of the PS2 and PS3 - or accept making a very small profit. MS have a history of taking a loss or small profit as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if the dollar launch price is within a small margin of the manufacturing costs.

I can't see MS or Sony expecting to make as much as a $100 profit on the consoles, so that would suggest a $500 launch price at most, and we haven't ever paid a direct conversion here in the UK, hence why I suggested £450 as a maximum price. Like I said, I expect both manufacturers to charge a similar amount, there's plenty of evidence from previous generations that a high launch price can contribute to losing that console generation, so I can't imagine either company wanting to be too far away from each other in price.
 
Soldato
Joined
6 Feb 2019
Posts
17,589
You can read it two ways.

i) The APU does indeed contain the GPU running at 2GHz and the cooling is needed to keep the temps down but you'll still end up with noise in intensive games.
ii) The aim was to reduce the overall system fan noise to Xbox One levels with the APU not being quite so exotic.

why not both? Why not high performance and quiet system??
 
Soldato
Joined
1 May 2013
Posts
9,710
Location
M28
I can't see £600, that would make the PS5 the most expensive console Sony have ever launched, and by quite some margin. For reference, the PS1 and PS2 were both £299.99, the PS3 was £429 (and got heavily criticised for that launch price), and the PS4 was £349. Sony are apparently waiting for MS to announce a price before committing to announcing one themselves, so I'd expect both consoles to be pretty similar in price, particularly given that they're both supposed to have pretty similar internals.

Unlike a lot of companies Sony don't tend to just take the dollar launch price and convert it to pounds sterling (the PS4 was $399 in the USA), so I'd hazard a guess the PS5 UK launch price will be somewhere between £399 and £450.

6 years ago $/£ parity may not have been the norm but it certainly seems to be the case now. If they can get away with it they will.
 
Soldato
Joined
22 Jul 2004
Posts
11,032
Location
Up north in Sunderland
Pretty sure the do already tbh keep getting emails about buying a new Xbox on some plan with game pass....

That doesn't surprise me.

The latest smart phones are around the £1k mark and people seem to change them every 2/3 yrs, more and more folk seem to be interested in how much something is going to cost them a month over how much it costs in total. Can definitely see this business model creeping in at some point.
 
Associate
Joined
2 Jul 2019
Posts
2,427
The finance/lease thing will be pretty standard for everything in the next decade/s i reckon. I'm not a fan of it. I also don't get enough gaming in to warrant the Live Pass, even though it's a very good deal.

In regards to this topic i hope the storage is at least decent. My xb1 is 500gb and due to updates all i have on it is Halo, and because the console is underpowered processor wise. Which is why i'm intrigued about the new consoles, Ryzen and all...
 
Back
Top Bottom