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Had a plumber fit a new radiator while I was at work. He made a song about needing to pick up an imperial radiator as the house is 30 years old. Father in law Paid him cash on my behalf, no receipts.. when I got home to look i first noticed the pipes were bowed out to be about 5 degrees past vertical. Then looked at the fitting and to my eye he's fitted a metric radiator using a ton of ptfe tape to make it fit. Anyone here a plumber or know if that's in anyway a reasonable way to fit a radiator? Cheers
 
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Erm.. You always put loads of ptfe into a radiator tail.

Also the metric / imperial is probably about the size of the radiator. Not the size of the pipe / valve.

Its not leaking and I assume its working fine.

Seems perfectly acceptable to me.

Also. How much did it cost?
 
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Supposedly the slightly off angles are a consequence of the mix of old and new and is the best way to avoid problems supposedly according to the people who updated our central heating a few months back or something along those lines (I wasn't the one who questioned it).
 
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What does the radiator look like in situ? Is it a tiled floor? It's hard to see if he had any restrictions or anything.

The usual issue tends to come down to the fact that modern radiators are narrower than older ones by about 40mm or so iirc. Means people often need to make pipe adjustments or buy extended radiator tails to reach original valve.
 
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I can't see/compare clearly from the photo but the amount of PTFE does look excessive - ours are like 2mm or something worth visually.
 
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I doubt that's a 5mm thick layer of ptfe- scrape it back a bit. It looks like the tape just goes over the fitting where it enlarges, making it look like it's all tape.

P.S. leaning to DIY domestic plumbing is very easy & rewarding. You only need a small selection of tools to do pretty much anything.
 
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Did the bloke fit new brackets for the rad? brackets & other bits always come with a new radiator.

Hanging it on the original brackets can often work but differences in design could make the rad slightly nearer or further from the wall. Even using new brackets may not not line up exactly as your old rad did.
Then the existing valve/tap fittings will not line up properly, this is why the pipe in your pic is not quite upright as it's pulled over to locate it on the new rad.

To be fair the plumber would have little option other than moving the pipe/valve over if it didn't line up.
 
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Nothing wrong with that. It’s a radiator replacement.
If the threads were different (metric/imperial) then he’d would have had a fun time trying to join it up - even more so to make it leak tight. If he somehow managed to do so and packed it out with PTFE then you’d know by being able to physically rock the fitting and see the movement (PTFE is not that strong)

PTFE is required because as you know... material expand when heated and contract when cold. A radiator is in both of those states.

On the flip side if he had charged more because of the amount of possible work involved to to make that pipe work 5degrees straighter would you also be complaining that it was now expensive?
 
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I doubt that's a 5mm thick layer of ptfe- scrape it back a bit. It looks like the tape just goes over the fitting where it enlarges, making it look like it's all tape.

P.S. leaning to DIY domestic plumbing is very easy & rewarding. You only need a small selection of tools to do pretty much anything.

Aye about £50 worth of tools (if you're buying from screwfix vs the really cheap stuff) gets you 90% of the commonly used ones, as IIRC you can do most plumbing with a pair of "water pump pliers" a mid size adjustable, a couple of spanners, and something to cut the piping with (either a hacksaw or dedicated pipe cutter).
It does tend to add up over time as you buy more specialist stuff for odd jobs (tap wrench, blow torch & heat mat), or tools that make it easier (long reach sockets etc), but for a lot of it if you've got a tool kit already for your car it's only a handful of specific tools needed.

One tip is to get some gardening "kneeling" mats, one of those "yoga" mats that you use camping or similar (the foam mats they sell for kids play rooms are great, and cheap) and cut it to size so when you're lying on your back under the sink, or crammed into a small spot trying to do something you're a little more comfortable:p



Nothing wrong with that. It’s a radiator replacement.
If the threads were different (metric/imperial) then he’d would have had a fun time trying to join it up - even more so to make it leak tight. If he somehow managed to do so and packed it out with PTFE then you’d know by being able to physically rock the fitting and see the movement (PTFE is not that strong)

PTFE is required because as you know... material expand when heated and contract when cold. A radiator is in both of those states.

On the flip side if he had charged more because of the amount of possible work involved to to make that pipe work 5degrees straighter would you also be complaining that it was now expensive?
Also if the tails are a different material to the radiator it'll expand and contract at a slightly different rate.

Radiator tails are my least favourite thing to do from a leak POV, whilst replacing taps is the worst from the "how the **** do I reach that?" pov - after trying to change the kitchen tap a while back I ended up getting a bunch of "ratchet" spanners (with a head that was hinged) and long reach sockets as I was trying to undo a nut that could only be turned about ~1/8th at a go in a space that was extremely cramped. The long socket let me do it up/undo it about 90% of the way, then swap to the spanner which as I didn't have to keep reseating it blind was quite fast.
 
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