Donald Trump

VincentHanna · 19 Feb 2020 at 10:59

Cathy Newman is a newsreader who went viral for trying to misrepresent what Jordan Peterson said in an interview, by stating "So what you're saying is..." after listening to his answers.

I'm not somebody who listed to or follows Jordan Peterson, but it was a car crash interview.

You keep doing the same thing to people here.

plasmahal · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:13

VincentHanna said:
Cathy Newman is a newsreader who went viral for trying to misrepresent what Jordan Peterson said in an interview, by stating "So what you're saying is..." after listening to his answers.

I'm not somebody who listed to or follows Jordan Peterson, but it was a car crash interview.

You keep doing the same thing to people here.

Maybe it's because I'm trying to understand your opinion and or suggested solution.

So feel free to answer the question.

ZXSpectrum · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:18

VincentHanna said:
Cathy Newman is a newsreader who went viral for trying to misrepresent what Jordan Peterson said in an interview, by stating "So what you're saying is..." after listening to his answers.

I'm not somebody who listed to or follows Jordan Peterson, but it was a car crash interview.

You keep doing the same thing to people here.

You did that as well when you posted

VincentHanna said:
You're suggesting most Americans want even more lax gun laws?

Seems to be the same as "So what you're saying is"

MadMossy · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:20

plasmahal said:
While i cannot prove or disprove this, I'd say the majority of US citizens are not against reasonable gun controls as long as their rights are not infringed.

In many states they already have this but not all states are taking a reasonable approach.

The big issue being avoided by the leftists here, is stopping criminals getting hold of guns no matter how the reasonable the background checks are. Take guns away from the criminals first then the citizens.....

I fail to see how taking guns away from the criminals is even possible. Sure they may not be able to access them as easily but they will still get them if they want. Gun crime still happens in the UK after all.

VincentHanna · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:21

ZXSpectrum said:
You did that as well when you posted

Seems to be the same as "So what you're saying is"

No

"So what you're saying is xxxxx" - That's a statement

"You're suggesting most Americans want even more lax gun laws?" is a question, asking for clarification to somebody who has entered in the middle of a debate about gun laws and said this:

MadMossy said:
I think what you'll find is the "more and more" people that want something done are actually a minority of very vocal social justice keyboard warriors, when the reality is most people want the opposite.

Washout · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:29

MadMossy said:
I fail to see how taking guns away from the criminals is even possible. Sure they may not be able to access them as easily but they will still get them if they want. Gun crime still happens in the UK after all.

Why have laws at all if you're worried criminals are just going to ignore them?

ZXSpectrum · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:30

VincentHanna said:
No

"So what you're saying is xxxxx" - That's a statement

"You're suggesting most Americans want even more lax gun laws?" is a question, asking for clarification to somebody who has entered in the middle of a debate about gun laws and said this:

No, if you has asked it as a question such as "So, are you suggesting most Americans want even more lax gun laws?" would have been a question asking for clarification.

"You're suggesting most Americans want even more lax gun laws?" is a statement, asking for clarification..

plasmahal · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:42

MadMossy said:
I fail to see how taking guns away from the criminals is even possible. Sure they may not be able to access them as easily but they will still get them if they want. Gun crime still happens in the UK after all.

Exactly and one of the main issues that supporters of human rights in the US has when the left want to remove those rights. Of course, those leftist like minded people here will not broach that as they know they cannot argue that from their position.

Greebo · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:43

plasmahal said:
So you think it's OK to illegally remove peoples human rights?

So you must therefore think its fine for convicted criminals to own guns and mentally ill people as well then?

Greebo · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:44

plasmahal said:
In your opinion, millions of actual Americans disagree with you.

And millions of Americans agree with him. So your point is?

plasmahal · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:48

Greebo said:
So you must therefore think its fine for convicted criminals to own guns and mentally ill people as well then?

No, that's why existing laws etc are in place. Not perfect but checks and balances are in place for this but sometimes things go wrong.

plasmahal · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:49

Greebo said:
And millions of Americans agree with him. So your point is?

My point is, as posted earlier, let the US citizens decide in a democratic manner. If they vote for a government that then removes those human rights, then they will have to live with those consequences whatever they maybe.

Greebo · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:51

plasmahal said:
No, that's why existing laws etc are in place. Not perfect but checks and balances are in place for this but sometimes things go wrong.

There arent though. Trump reversed a rule that stopped mentally ill people from owning guns, presumably because it infringed their human rights?

And how can you agree that its fine to have a law that convicted criminals cant legally own guns but then say that the 2nd amendment has to be protected and that there should be no restrictions?

rxodium · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:51

plasmahal said:
then they will have to live with those consequences whatever they maybe.

Civil war 2: Electric boogaloo.

rxodium · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:52

Greebo said:
presumably because it infringed their human rights?

More likely because it was Obama did it.

plasmahal · 19 Feb 2020 at 11:58

Greebo said:
Trump reversed a rule that stopped mentally ill people from owning guns

Fact checked and is not the case.

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What's True
President Trump rescinded a rule that would have provided a new way to enforce existing background check restrictions on gun sales by allowing a transfer of information from one agency to another.

What's False
President Trump's action did not completely eliminate background checks for gun purchases (by the mentally ill or anyone else).

steve5424 · 19 Feb 2020 at 12:05

plasmahal said:
Who's Cathy Newman and what has she got to do with US gun laws?

What stricter laws do you believe in that won't infringe on US citizens human rights?

I agree on better background checks (which some states already have).

Owning a gun is not a 'human right'

plasmahal · 19 Feb 2020 at 12:09

steve5424 said:
Owning a gun is not a 'human right'

It is in the US... :rolleyes:

doodah · 19 Feb 2020 at 12:11

Let the 'US citizens decide in a democratic manner', it's like plasmahal is intentionally forgetting the 2018 midterms happened at all.

steve5424 · 19 Feb 2020 at 12:14

plasmahal said:
It is in the US...

Well no not really.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/29/gun-ownership-is-not-a-human-right

.Bearing arms is something else: a privilege. And privileges are contingent on meeting reasonable standards of care and respect for others’ right to life