Police state cometh.

[arknor]

I don't think these cameras are high enough definition to allow this?
I assume it uses the face mapping technique, they would have to train a model using peoples passport photos/whatever biometric data is stored in your passport chip.

that would be fairly easy I'd assume to train a model that can tell them all apart but the image data from a cctv camera is not going to be good enough surely since you would need a straight on capture of the face, any distortion or shadows/light on the face would likely destroy the possibility for a match.

but then unless you have some photo identity that the government issued for you, how would you be on the system.
they would have to force everyone in the country to get their face on a system? that's like ordering the whole country to go and give fingerprints.
people would tell the gov to do one surely

People aren't going to be thrown in prison on the basis of AI though, they can simply flag up images for humans to review.

Throwing AI at any machine learning bot created so far is a massive stretch of what AI means.

all machine learning agents and what not are basically programmed bots they don't self learn.(okay too a small extent they do, because they choose which preprogrammed action to take based on the current state, and over time they get better at this, but they still have to be told what that state is)

it's like making a bot to organise photos/files by alphabet or file size and claiming it's "AI" because it does a small amount of math

the dota bot reads memory and cheats that's how it beats humans it will also have less input lag than a human, per pixel accuracy etc.

it doesnt even visualise the data, it has no screen image of the game

there's much more impressive bots people have built with machine learning that rely on an image grab of the screen and regular inputs a human is restricted to. they tend to perform on the same levels as humans once they are trained.

but it would be more efficient to just code a regular bot and less time consuming....

we are at-least 50 years away from anything resembling AI


machine learning AI is basically a calculator

 

[Hades]

but then unless you have some photo identity that the government issued for you, how would you be on the system.
they would have to force everyone in the country to get their face on a system? that's like ordering the whole country to go and give fingerprints.
people would tell the gov to do one surely

They already have a huge database of pictures. I bet they probably have yours. They certainly have mine. If you have a driving license or have ever had a passport then they have it.

 

[sigma]

Once 5G is up and running the police can just out source their duties to the Chinese Communist Party, probably get the Chinese to set up a social credit score for all UK citizens enforced by corporations like Google who are more than happy to help China set up their digital totalitarian police state. They're private companies right can do whatever they want to trample people rights...

Didn’t the big bad EU try to stop our own Government from spying on us. Now they have free rein

 

[peige]

I think I might invest in shares of Aluminium foil companies, seems like its a growth area.

 

[dowie]

this is very muddled - not all ML/AI involves a "bot" or agent either btw...

Throwing AI at any machine learning bot created so far is a massive stretch of what AI means.

all machine learning agents and what not are basically programmed bots they don't self learn.(okay too a small extent they do, because they choose which preprogrammed action to take based on the current state, and over time they get better at this, but they still have to be told what that state is)

it's like making a bot to organise photos/files by alphabet or file size and claiming it's "AI" because it does a small amount of math

Nope a simple sorting algorithm doesn't involve any "learning" - it's kind of the opposite really, you're literally telling it what to do in that case.

I don't know what a "dota bot" is so have left that bit out but this is completely the wrong idea:

machine learning AI is basically a calculator

You've got this completely backwards - the whole point of ML is that you're not giving explicit instructions rather the program learns via training data.

In this thread we're talking about identifying specific known suspects from video footage - this is a classification problem and involves supervised learning yet you're talking about agents/bots and taking actions... that's a different area of ML (reinforcement learning).

 

[ttaskmaster]

Think you mean surveilled, not surveyed.

I dunno.... I seem to get an awful lot of websites with pop-up survey requests.

The best success this type of software has produced to date is 20% - so 8 out of 10 people recognised as 'criminal' have been identified incorrectly.

They have been flagged as 'possible' criminals. The humans then had to step in and validate.

I don't have a driving licence and don't carry my passport unless needed for a specific purpose, so how can I prove my identity if I get flagged as a false positive?

Good argument for a national ID card... Always wondered why we never had such things. The Gubbmint missed their chance with that Porn ID thing they failed to implement.
Failing that, off to the cop shop you go, with your producer note and acceptable forms of ID.

Will 30-year old y-fronts do instead? Some of the stains look like a face at certain angles....

You clearly haven't seen the videos...

 

[StriderX]

I think I might invest in shares of Aluminium foil companies, seems like its a growth area.

Sure, it's totally not as though we literally have a series of governments now that have tried to implement authoritarian practices, nah must be a conspiracy.

 

[Gaygle]

Meanwhile you are all walking around, tagged by your phone, car or other gadget of choice. I say you because I currently own a dumb phone and car. So with the resources that the state have they can track or backtrack you almost anywhere.

Facial recognition from a van set streetside is relatively benign, (until you feature on a TV cam show called 'Spot the looney').

This is a very valid point. My phone literally knows pretty much all there is to know about me and it goes off to some company in the USA to sell to who they like to influence my ways of thinking, alter my political leanings, exploit my vulnerabilities - yet no one seems to care all that much about this.

The moment the Government say that they want to do something which may encroach on a very very small number of people, backed up with fully auditable and very heavily scrutinised privacy policies - everyone goes berserk.

I can definitely see how it's unnerving to have facial recognition cameras out there, but the truth is, nothing we do is private anymore and 99% of my violated privacy is being used to try and flog me stuff that I don't need - at least the 1% that the Government violate is going towards catching criminals.

 

[StriderX]

This is a very valid point. My phone literally knows pretty much all there is to know about me and it goes off to some company in the USA to sell to who they like to influence my ways of thinking, alter my political leanings, exploit my vulnerabilities - yet no one seems to care all that much about this.

The moment the Government say that they want to do something which may encroach on a very very small number of people, backed up with fully auditable and very heavily scrutinised privacy policies - everyone goes berserk.

I can definitely see how it's unnerving to have facial recognition cameras out there, but the truth is, nothing we do is private anymore and 99% of my violated privacy is being used to try and flog me stuff that I don't need - at least the 1% that the Government violate is going towards catching criminals.

Maybe it's because we're waiting for the government to actually do something about the abuse of data, rather than give up and just decide it's time to join in the fun... with poorly crafted, thin excuses about 'criminals'. The language used to justify it is actually offensive to any reasonable person, to actually be fooled by this is ridiculous.

But i guess that people are just going to lay down and die because it's too hard. When the proverbial boot starts coming down harder, I'll just laugh as there's no point in arguing for more liberty, as opposed to less. The criminals always find a way around it (especially to supply the people pushing these technologies), while we're left in our own cowardly puddle of urine asking for more because it's not working as promised.

I can't wait for the usual 'lesson's learned' spiel.

 

[rxodium]

The moment the Government say that they want to do something which may encroach on a very very small number of people, backed up with fully auditable and very heavily scrutinised privacy policies - everyone goes berserk.

Probably because of the governments history of ******* up audits and those heavily scrutinised privacy policies. I mean, Marcus Beale is the most recent case of being fined and fired after he left counter terrorism documents in the boot of his car for five days... which were stolen. MPs leaving peoples private data on USB sticks on trains. Or on laptops on the front seat of a car which was subject to a smash and grab. The list goes on. You can have all the red tape in place and it will never be enough to counter human stupidity.

 

[ChroniC]

What's the point of facial recognition of they don't use it.
The local coop near me is Robbed by drunks and druggies on a daily basis. I've been in the store trying to help the poor old ladies that are working that day on more than one ocassion.
When the police eventually arrive they tell the staff to let it happen as it's more a risk to their safety to stop theives.
They then give out a crime number and do nothing. Absolutely nothing about it , even when given cctv of the perpetrators, who are wildly know to them..

Yes maybe its the fault of a austerity government, cutting funds. Yet I see on a daily basis at least 3 or 4 police cars in my area sitting in laybys on traffic duty following cars....
Maybe think about priorities and cut traffic police and repurpose them to be more proactive in the crime stricken communities.

Just saying.

 

[deuse]

That would cause absolute chaos in the UK I think 85% of people wouldn't be allowed out of London lol

Put that right

 

[jumpy]

I'm sure that 'Dame' cressida dick could have used this enterprising technology to prevent her officers shooting an unfortunate brazillian electrician, one Jean Charles De Menezes (poor *******). Perhaps a 19% success rate might have been enough....

Still, all that aside, it doesn't seem to have diminished her career one iota. She still spouts a bucket load of shady **** and it would appear that her command failure is something she has successfully left behind her.

"If an algorithm can help identify, in our criminal intelligence systems material, a potential serial rapist or killer... then I think almost all citizens would want us to use it,"

So, identifying someone 'having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future'. Pity there's nothing like that to vet the suitability of some of our most senior police officers.

 

[TheVoice]

Yes maybe its the fault of a austerity government, cutting funds. Yet I see on a daily basis at least 3 or 4 police cars in my area sitting in laybys on traffic duty following cars....
Maybe think about priorities and cut traffic police and repurpose them to be more proactive in the crime stricken communities.

Just saying.

Freeing up police from chasing up "missing" persons (who frequently aren't missing and will come back of their own accord) and dealing with mental health issues would be far more beneficial to policing than further cuts to a specialist resource which actually deals with driving offences and criminality using vehicles and the road network.

 

[fatiain]

Freeing up police from chasing up "missing" persons (who frequently aren't missing and will come back of their own accord) and dealing with mental health issues would be far more beneficial to policing than further cuts to a specialist resource which actually deals with driving offences and criminality using vehicles and the road network.

So much this.