Star Trek: Picard

Efour · 27 Feb 2020 at 20:55

Its 50% star trek 50% Generic Action, Romance, American Soap opera level Drama.

God damn Elrond Romulan Is so awful i want to believe its by design but that poor actors career! Help him.

It is a sign of the times.

Its as Marmite as when Stargate went from Atlantis/SG1 to SGU....
They might look at this first series of Picard and sigh, knowing they got a 2nd.

Steampunk · 27 Feb 2020 at 21:26

Efour said:
Its 50% star trek 50% Generic Action, Romance, American Soap opera level Drama.

God damn Elrond Romulan Is so awful i want to believe its by design but that poor actors career! Help him.

It is a sign of the times.

Its as Marmite as when Stargate went from Atlantis/SG1 to SGU....
They might look at this first series of Picard and sigh, knowing they got a 2nd.

SGU was really well made and acted. The characters and stories were good, and I expect a lot was set up for future stories that never happened. It was structured in a way that made sense and you could buy into what was a consistent fictional universe. Sure, some of the hardcore fans hated the new setting, but I liked it a lot and I thought it was better than another remix of the same recipe with different ingredients (as Atlantis was to SG1, though I love both series).

The quality of storytelling, dialogue and characters was vastly, vastly higher than what we've seen on STD and Picard. Maybe some people didn't like it, but there was no doubt it was high quality TV.

Gerard · 27 Feb 2020 at 21:36

Elrond wielding essentially a Katana is somehow gonna hold back Romulas with Distuptors. Not sure how that works if he's face to face with a bit of distance between them. I'm guessing Romulans now have Star Wars Storm Trooper accuracy.

Malevolence · 28 Feb 2020 at 05:43

Fluke? said:
Turned it off at the point where JL (cringe) hams it up with the eye patch. So many cringe.

Perhaps it isn't aimed at the sort of tweenage girls that use the term 'cringe'.

TNA · 28 Feb 2020 at 08:08

Malevolence said:
Perhaps it isn't aimed at the sort of tweenage girls that use the term 'cringe'.

Cringe cringe cringe. So much cringe!

james.miller · 28 Feb 2020 at 08:49

Gerard said:
Elrond wielding essentially a Katana is somehow gonna hold back Romulas with Distuptors. Not sure how that works if he's face to face with a bit of distance between them. I'm guessing Romulans now have Star Wars Storm Trooper accuracy.

Perfectly acceptable in the world of Kurtzman Trek

JRS · 28 Feb 2020 at 08:59

Gerard said:
Elrond wielding essentially a Katana is somehow gonna hold back Romulas with Distuptors. Not sure how that works if he's face to face with a bit of distance between them. I'm guessing Romulans now have Star Wars Storm Trooper accuracy.

james.miller said:
Perfectly acceptable in the world of Kurtzman Trek

DS9-era Klingons say hi

All sorts of blade weapon combat going on in an era of rayguns...

MOOGLEYS · 28 Feb 2020 at 09:24

I enjoyed this for the first couple but it’s just gone a bit crappy tbh. Hopefully it will pick up but I’m not holding up much hope.

SixTwoSix · 28 Feb 2020 at 09:34

MOOGLEYS said:
I enjoyed this for the first couple but it’s just gone a bit crappy tbh. Hopefully it will pick up but I’m not holding up much hope.

Paging @CAT-THE-FIFTH

TNA · 28 Feb 2020 at 09:42

SixTwoSix said:
Paging @CAT-THE-FIFTH

Oh no, now we can expect a wall of text trying to convince him he is wrong and in 10 years he will realise this

iamtheoneneo · 28 Feb 2020 at 10:22

Safetytrousers said:
I really like all of Picard so far.

Yeh I think its pretty good. Though they have a habit of bailing out on the good stuff in order to make way for the dumb Dahj plot.
Still its a big improvement over Discovery

Steampunk · 28 Feb 2020 at 10:42

iamtheoneneo said:
Yeh I think its pretty good. Though they have a habit of bailing out on the good stuff in order to make way for the dumb Dahj plot.
Still its a big improvement over Discovery

That's not hard given how atrocious STD is. People have really lowered their Trek expectations.

SixTwoSix · 28 Feb 2020 at 10:53

Steampunk said:
That's not hard given how atrocious STD is. People have really lowered their Trek expectations.

Similar to Mandalorian, it's quite good but not as great as it felt initially in retrospect. However while watching it, it felt excellent as the recent movies were so bad.

Steampunk · 28 Feb 2020 at 11:00

SixTwoSix said:
Similar to Mandalorian, it's quite good but not as great as it felt initially in retrospect. However while watching it, it felt excellent as the recent movies were so bad.

Yeah, contrary to Cat-The-Fifth, I think we'll be looking back and realise these shows were thought better than they are just because we all got caught up in the hype of seeing Patrick Stewart and Co (even if mostly as cameos) come back and remind us of the Trek glory days. It's easy to get caught up in the excitement, nostalgia, and shiny-shiny, only to think about how much just doesn't make any sense, or how much your mind wandered because it wasn't engaging, or how many times you get pulled out of immersion because of clunky, cringy dialogue.

As the Critical Drinker says about the Mandalorian, "it's better than nothing". I'm not sure that's even damning with faint praise. For me, I'm moving towards Picard being a bit of a missed opportunity, even if not as wide of the mark as the terrible STD.

Gerard · 28 Feb 2020 at 11:50

JRS said:
DS9-era Klingons say hi

All sorts of blade weapon combat going on in an era of rayguns...

Klingons were known for it, Romulans weren't. Plus the Klingons always had disruptor sidearms, unlike katana boy.

Pudney · 28 Feb 2020 at 12:46

Gerard said:
Klingons were known for it, Romulans weren't. Plus the Klingons always had disruptor sidearms, unlike katana boy.

The guy is a member of a religious order, I don't think his wielding a sword is applicable to Romulans in general.

Gerard · 28 Feb 2020 at 13:27

Pudney said:
The guy is a member of a religious order, I don't think his wielding a sword is applicable to Romulans in general.

The question still stands, in close quarters a sword may be useful, not gonna be much use 15-20 feet away. Unless he has a (to this point) hidden side arm.

pinkpound · 28 Feb 2020 at 13:59

So I'm still waiting for some action and its episode 6 already

SixTwoSix · 28 Feb 2020 at 14:09

pinkpound said:
So I'm still waiting for some action and its episode 6 already

Picard ran up some stairs in the first episode and someone no one gives a **** about blew up.

hornetstinger · 28 Feb 2020 at 14:11

Steampunk said:
SGU was really well made and acted. The characters and stories were good, and I expect a lot was set up for future stories that never happened. It was structured in a way that made sense and you could buy into what was a consistent fictional universe. Sure, some of the hardcore fans hated the new setting, but I liked it a lot and I thought it was better than another remix of the same recipe with different ingredients (as Atlantis was to SG1, though I love both series).

The quality of storytelling, dialogue and characters was vastly, vastly higher than what we've seen on STD and Picard. Maybe some people didn't like it, but there was no doubt it was high quality TV.

Sgu sucked big time. Boring, depressing, back stabbing people, wanted them all to die. Only Eli was decent.

Hope they never got home and went into a black hole, along with all film stock and dvd copies of the series