If next year's consoles do 4k/60..

tyler_jrb · 1 Mar 2020 at 13:34

imginy said:
Yeah red dead 2 is seriously lacking colour, but it can be fixed on a decent tv with things like contrast enhancer. The HDR on red dead is also great feature and the even if you have hdr monitor it doesn't get near the levels of the OLED/QLED.

Have you tried running your first person shooters at 1440p on your OLED with unlocked frames and vsync off?. It's what i do on my qled.
I have always used my big tv for the first person shooters, even on my old 60hz 1080p plasma.
I just run 200fps vsync off.

Also does your oled do 1440p 120hz? I know some do some don't.

All 4k games look excellent on it vs my monitor no doubt about it.

Ive tried it and it does look better however IMO even at 8ft which it is now it’s just too far away to be consistent with fps game I play such as BF4/V. Even at 120hz it doesn’t feel as responsive or as smooth/consistent as my monitor.

Mine is the E8 (8series), so unfortunately it only does 120hz 1080p or 4k 60hz. 4k 60hz has been perfect with a controller. Even at 1080p 120hz the difference is marginal with a controller not enough to make me want a new tv anyway. Plus I prefer the crispness of 4k.

Spyhop · 1 Mar 2020 at 14:24

chaparral said:
And then the PC was lightyears ahead when the voodoo 1 came out in 1997

And Boy did that voodoo card smooth graphics make the playstation blocky software looking graphics look like crap

Yeah, the PS1 had dodgy 3D because it did not do perspective-correct texture mapping. Textures were always "twitching" as the view moved, and there were often other issues like there being visible seams between polygons.

Lots of fun games of course, but pretty grim 3D rendering even compared to N64.

imginy · 1 Mar 2020 at 14:38

tyler_jrb said:
All 4k games look excellent on it vs my monitor no doubt about it.

Ive tried it and it does look better however IMO even at 8ft which it is now it’s just too far away to be consistent with fps game I play such as BF4/V. Even at 120hz it doesn’t feel as responsive or as smooth/consistent as my monitor.

Mine is the E8 (8series), so unfortunately it only does 120hz 1080p or 4k 60hz. 4k 60hz has been perfect with a controller. Even at 1080p 120hz the difference is marginal with a controller not enough to make me want a new tv anyway. Plus I prefer the crispness of 4k.

Yeah I must be the only guy on pc who plays overwatch laying down 10 foot from the tv with a controller.

I do alright on it as well, I hit 3815 sr one season. That was at 1080p 60hz lol on my plasma.

I haven't done any 4k gaming on mine because my gtx 1080 struggles too much and there doesn't seem anything worth upgrading to until next gen. I use 4k 60hz for my desktop and 1440p 120 for gaming. I do look forward to playing some games at 4k, I tried gta 4k and it was super crisp.

I don't like using vsync at 60hz because it adds to much lag. I'm quite happy using vsync at 120hz though, I think it's around 70ms less than at 60hz.

I would have bought a gaming monitor years ago but they are just to small for me.

tyler_jrb · 1 Mar 2020 at 17:06

imginy said:
Yeah I must be the only guy on pc who plays overwatch laying down 10 foot from the tv with a controller.

I do alright on it as well, I hit 3815 sr one season. That was at 1080p 60hz lol on my plasma.

I haven't done any 4k gaming on mine because my gtx 1080 struggles too much and there doesn't seem anything worth upgrading to until next gen. I use 4k 60hz for my desktop and 1440p 120 for gaming. I do look forward to playing some games at 4k, I tried gta 4k and it was super crisp.

I don't like using vsync at 60hz because it adds to much lag. I'm quite happy using vsync at 120hz though, I think it's around 70ms less than at 60hz.

I would have bought a gaming monitor years ago but they are just to small for me.

I have a 32” 165hz monitor and it does well for everything I need gaming wise. Used to have a 27” but the 32” is far better.

55” 4k looks spectacular IMO especially on something like an OLED with true blacks. But for me I really struggle to aim both with a controller and at a distance of 8ft which the tv is at. K+M on my monitor is much preferred for fps games.

Just a basic shot of rdr2

GAC · 1 Mar 2020 at 17:16

i think the biggest issue when it comes to hdr on pc's is the dubious way some companies claim their monitors are hdr ready when they arnt.

Grim5 · 1 Mar 2020 at 19:44

GAC said:
i think the biggest issue when it comes to hdr on pc's is the dubious way some companies claim their monitors are hdr ready when they arnt.

HDR10 has standards, best to check the monitor is certified for it. Most aren't. It's a shame that vendors like ASUS then make up their own BS marketing terms because they aren't allowed to use the official terminology because they don't meet the standards.

"HDR600" is a load of ********. If an LCD/LED/IPS panel can't hit 1000nits then it's not a proper HDR screen.

They should just switch to OLED imo, then they don't have to worry about brightness. OLED can achieve excellent HDR contrast levels with just 500 nits because of it's deep blacks but LCD/IPS/LED needs to get far brighter in the highlights to make up for the poor black level.

GAC · 1 Mar 2020 at 19:48

Grim5 said:
"HDR600" is a load of ********. If an LCD/LED/IPS panel can't hit 1000nits then it's not a proper HDR screen.

and thats the issue. i can see a lot of people blowing silly money on supposed hdr monitors next year and getting a nasty shock.

Grim5 · 1 Mar 2020 at 19:52

GAC said:
and thats the issue. i can see a lot of people blowing silly money on supposed hdr monitors next year and getting a nasty shock.

The way I see it, this is the first and only worthwhile HDR gaming monitor currently for sale: https://www.asus.com/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG35vq

GAC · 1 Mar 2020 at 20:28

Grim5 said:
The way I see it, this is the first and only worthwhile HDR gaming monitor currently for sale: https://www.asus.com/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG35vq

and the majority of people will just by pass that and buy a 65" 4k hdr set, and probably for less money. yes it wont be anything better than 60hz probably but who cares.

Hedge · 1 Mar 2020 at 20:58

GAC said:
and the majority of people will just by pass that and buy a 65" 4k hdr set, and probably for less money. yes it wont be anything better than 60hz probably but who cares.

LG oleds are doing 4k 120hz now. Anyone who buys a monitor with supposed hdr etc is bonkers

GAC · 1 Mar 2020 at 21:03

Hedge said:
LG oleds are doing 4k 120hz now. Anyone who buys a monitor with supposed hdr etc is bonkers

how much for a 120hz hdr set ?

Hedge · 1 Mar 2020 at 21:06

GAC said:
how much for a 120hz hdr set ?

55inch is 1650 ish for the latest model but the one previous can be had around 1300 now I believe?

LG c9 oled.

silvagti · 1 Mar 2020 at 21:16

GAC said:
if thats true about the possible prices seems my estimate of a min $599 price for the top model could be correct, oh well let the gnashing of teeth start if true

Does sound likely that a top tier version could cost £500-600 if both MS and Sony are releasing a ps5/xbox and ps5/xbox pro at the same time.

There's an interesting question. If it was 2013 again and you could have a PS4/Xbox for ~£400 would you have paid £600 to get a PS4 Pro /Xbox X had both systems been available at launch?

GAC · 1 Mar 2020 at 21:17

Hedge said:
55inch is 1650 ish for the latest model but the one previous can be had around 1300 now I believe?

LG c9 oled.

so maybe next year 1400 for a new model maybe, so yeah give it a couple of years and 120hz maybe come a selling point for people then, but have to wait to see if theres ever a killer app on either consoles that will justify it for most.

Hedge · 1 Mar 2020 at 21:25

GAC said:
so maybe next year 1400 for a new model maybe, so yeah give it a couple of years and 120hz maybe come a selling point for people then, but have to wait to see if theres ever a killer app on either consoles that will justify it for most.

They have set the mark for their TVs now and with the fact that the TVs support gsync is going to mean more and more take the leap. Just a shame coronavirus will slow things this year I guess.

120hz oleds will likely be under a grand this time next year.

Linus did a video on their 77inch oled too and was mega impressed. It became his personal gaming screen.

GAC · 1 Mar 2020 at 21:32

Hedge said:
Linus did a video on their 77inch oled too and was mega impressed. It became his personal gaming screen.

yeah im sure it did, nice when you get bought stuff

and isnt this like the 3rd or 4th big screen he's had "sent" to him to test drive or whatever. im sure he'l be getting a new one by end of year though.

Hedge · 1 Mar 2020 at 21:40

GAC said:
yeah im sure it did, nice when you get bought stuff and isnt this like the 3rd or 4th big screen he's had "sent" to him to test drive or whatever. im sure he'l be getting a new one by end of year though.

Oh yeah no doubt haha.

But he still made out it did anyway haha.

imginy · 2 Mar 2020 at 03:49

GAC said:
how much for a 120hz hdr set ?

The samsungs 55" ones start at around £500 but they don't have hdmi 2.1 so only do 120hz at 1080p and 1440p, 4k is 60hz only.

Grim5 · 2 Mar 2020 at 03:51

imginy said:
The samsungs 55" ones start at around £500 but they don't have hdmi 2.1 so only do 120hz at 1080p and 1440p, 4k is 60hz only.

samsung TVs can do 4k120hz if you enable chroma subsampling in your gpu driver, but then you can't turn on hdr

imginy · 2 Mar 2020 at 03:59

Grim5 said:
samsung TVs can do 4k120hz if you enable chroma subsampling in your gpu driver, but then you can't turn on hdr

Nice to know thanks, I never heard about that.

Can you confirm if that is for all of the 120hz sets or just the new models. Mine is this 2018 model https://www.whathifi.com/samsung-qe55q8dn/review I got it in the sale last year when the new models came out for £1100.