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Intel 10th Gen Comet Lake thread

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It has more of an upgrade path than 1151 in that it currently tops out at 16 cores compared to 8. I can't see even Comet lake having more than 10 cores at 14nm?
 
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Does anyone really care though? Do people really make their purchasing decisions based on the power draw of the CPU or system, at least at the top end of the market? Once you've built a full system including a heavyweight GPU, the additional draw of the CPU itself will be diminished.

In reality, the power draw and process node differences are just being seized on by the AMD fanboys to beat Intel over the head with.



Define "competing"?

Intel are still faster for gaming, even with the current 9th gen CPUs and will only stretch their lead with the 10th gen. Maybe Ryzen 4000 will change that but it's a total unknown right now.

Again, the AMD fanboys always seize upon the "productivity" benchmarks but, for the majority, these are meaningless. For standard desktop applications, pretty much any modern CPU is more than good enough and, whilst Ryzen murders Intel when it comes to things like rendering or video processing, these are only used by a tiny percentage of users.

For the vast majority of people, gaming is the only performance intensive task they run and Intel are still faster.

Personally I do because I am looking at SFF and so keeping power draw down to get a 450-500w SFX PSU is important. Being 100w lower is huge then.
 
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Don't get me wrong, AMD did an amazing thing there.
But for me, looking to buy new CPU, from standpoint of longevity AM4 and next intel socket (1200?) are equivalent

Few things. Will a 3950X & 4950X not be sufficient to you next year or the year after?

Next socket is AM5 with DDR5. Which means you might need to replace the motherboard of 2021 to newer in 2022 to get faster speeds of ram after the process has matured over a year. We have seen this with DDR4, DDR3 and the maturity going from X370/B350 to X470/450.
(Intel uses the same Z170 chipset for 5y now so nothing to say here).

Beyond 2023 we do not know what AMD has planned, given that Zen5 is the last of the Zen generation moving to next-Gen in 2024-25.
And I doubt you picked Z170 for it's longevity. Everyone knew that was dead end. And so was the Z270 & 390
 
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Few things. Will a 3950X & 4950X not be sufficient to you next year or the year after?

Next socket is AM5 with DDR5. Which means you might need to replace the motherboard of 2021 to newer in 2022 to get faster speeds of ram after the process has matured over a year. We have seen this with DDR4, DDR3 and the maturity going from X370/B350 to X470/450.
(Intel uses the same Z170 chipset for 5y now so nothing to say here).

Beyond 2023 we do not know what AMD has planned, given that Zen5 is the last of the Zen generation moving to next-Gen in 2024-25.
And I doubt you picked Z170 for it's longevity. Everyone knew that was dead end. And so was the Z270 & 390

As tasty as it sounds I've already learnt early adopting is painful. I will avoid first generation AM5, DDR5 etc for all the obvious reasons. Instability, bugs, less optmised RAM etc. The year after will be much nicer.

So either hold my 3950x for 3/4 years or move to 4950x then hold for 2/3 years. After few years rolls by, I'll have a choice of Intel and AMD on mature platforms, mature nodes, mature DDR5, mature PCIE4/5 etc.
 
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As tasty as it sounds I've already learnt early adopting is painful. I will avoid first generation AM5, DDR5 etc for all the obvious reasons. Instability, bugs, less optmised RAM etc. The year after will be much nicer.

So either hold my 3950x for 3/4 years or move to 4950x then hold for 2/3 years. After few years rolls by, I'll have a choice of Intel and AMD on mature platforms, mature nodes, mature DDR5, mature PCIE4/5 etc.

Exactly. Zen4 is very radical upgrade over Zen 3 let alone Zen 2. We do not know what bugs IF3.0 would bring to boot, or the new stuff like the full access CPU has to the GPU VRAM over PCIe 5.0. (EPYC Genoa supports that way 4 GPUs)

Many like the guy responded, won't even buy high end 5.0 card, doubt planning to change the 3.0 2070S for long time.
So kinda useless waiting for a new tech which cannot be use. And by the time this is done, new tech will be running.

Thats the problem with the "waiting game". If someone wants longevity should buy the new consoles.
 
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10900k appears on Firestrike

10900k @ 5.1ghz boost (i assume this is stock): 28940
9900ks @ stock: 26600
3900x @ stock: 29950
my 3950x @ all core 4.3ghz: 35000


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So I tried running Fire Strike on my system that I built in 2012.
Is it really the case that if I upgraded to something more up-to-date 8 years later, I would only be getting a little more than 2x performance?


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Considering that is with using a 2080 Ti, i'd consider that a complete rubbish score to be honest. Clock is unknown of course, but i doubt anyone would leave that score public unless the cpu was clocked as high as it could be.

This is my score with a 3950x but using a 1080 Ti. https://www.3dmark.com/fs/21375567

Not a manual OC and prob stock TVB where it hit 5.1 and then dropped down to all core. You'd also have to take in account the RAM and power limits being imposed.

Here's my 9900k at 5.2 which is my daily. I just ran it out of curiosity:
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/44526016

I do not expect then 8core chip to out perform the 10core on the same platform...
 
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Intel’s 10th Gen ‘Comet Lake’ Desktop CPU Lineup Allegedly Leaks Out – Core i9-10900KF Flagship With 10 Cores, 20 Threads, 5.2 GHz Boost at $499 US, 8 Cores Start at $339 US, 6 Cores at $179 US

https://wccftech.com/intel-10th-gen-comet-lake-desktop-cpu-lineup-leak-lga-1159-socket-rumor/

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Comet Lake probably will launch in the next few months or sometime in Q4 2019.

Will be very interesting to read Comet Lake CPUs reviews. Very glad I didnt bought 9900K.

9900K will probably have a huge price cut when Comet Lake launch with $499 i9 -10900KF 10C/20T to the bottom $129 Core i3 10100 4C/8T.

Core i3 will finally have hyper-threading!

Intel will still the gaming king!

Intel "Comet Lake" Not Before 2020, "Ice Lake-S" Not Before Q3-2020, Roadmap Suggests

Next day techpowerup got another leak but it was quite different from before.

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Back in May it been thought LGA 1200 is for server CPUs after 400 series chipset driver leaked so now look like Comet Lake consumer CPUs will use socket LGA1200, not LGA1159.

The plain K model is better, 200mhz higher all core clock. Plus higher base clock.
 
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Motherboard lock-in is great for Intel and retailers. They can retain high prices for old chips as they are phased out due to so many users having no other upgrade path.

AMD have really lost a trick here - having to constantly reduce the price of older Ryzen chips to keep them competitive with their own new products.
 
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Motherboard lock-in is great for Intel and retailers. They can retain high prices for old chips as they are phased out due to so many users having no other upgrade path.

AMD have really lost a trick here - having to constantly reduce the price of older Ryzen chips to keep them competitive with their own new products.
The trouble is many Intel users will elect to switch to AMD as a new CPU and motherboard will be cheaper than upgrading just the CPU with Intel.
 
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