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Intel 10th Gen Comet Lake thread

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The trouble is many Intel users will elect to switch to AMD as a new CPU and motherboard will be cheaper than upgrading than just the CPU with Intel.

It's funny you mention that, as last weekend I did an update of a system from an i3-8100 to an R7 3700X with a B450 rather than switch the user to a 8700K or 9700K, due to this reason.
 
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It's funny you mention that, as last weekend I did an update of a system from an i3-8100 to an R7 3700X with a B450 rather than switch the user to a 8700K or 9700K, due to this reason.
I suspect this will be the case for many people as ryzen not only offers good price / performance currently but also a future upgrade path to what will be a cheap 12/16 cores in a few years time.
 
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Motherboard lock-in is great for Intel and retailers. They can retain high prices for old chips as they are phased out due to so many users having no other upgrade path.

AMD have really lost a trick here - having to constantly reduce the price of older Ryzen chips to keep them competitive with their own new products.
lolwhut?
 
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Ignoring the first month or so of stupidly high paper launch prices and averaging for the year, numbers look something like this.

6700K - 2016-19 : £300, £300, £300, £300
7700K - 2017-19 : £300, £260, £340
8700K - 2018-19 : £300, £350
9700K - 2019-20 : £380, £350

1700x - 2017-19 : £325, £220, £175
2700x - 2018-20 : £300, £200, £150
3700x - 2019-20 : £310, £260
 
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Ignoring the first month or so of stupidly high paper launch prices and averaging for the year, numbers look something like this.

6700K - 2016-19 : £300, £300, £300, £300
7700K - 2017-19 : £300, £260, £340
8700K - 2018-19 : £300, £350
9700K - 2019-20 : £380, £350

1700x - 2017-19 : £325, £220, £175
2700x - 2018-20 : £300, £200, £150
3700x - 2019-20 : £310, £260


And if you watch the latest Gamers Nexus video - Intel are sitting on old old stock in channel rather than clear it for new stuff.
 
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It's funny you mention that, as last weekend I did an update of a system from an i3-8100 to an R7 3700X with a B450 rather than switch the user to a 8700K or 9700K, due to this reason.

Its even more pronounced at the high end.

Intel cascade lake and it's other 18 core parts have been out for a while now. So has the 16 core 3950x being out for a while, Intel doesn't sell any 16 core CPUs anymore.

So I had a look at the February Steam CPU market share by core count and 16 core is dominating 18 core. For every eight 16 core (see 3950x) CPUs that are added, only one 18 core (see 10980xe) is added
 
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Motherboard lock-in is great for Intel and retailers. They can retain high prices for old chips as they are phased out due to so many users having no other upgrade path.

AMD have really lost a trick here - having to constantly reduce the price of older Ryzen chips to keep them competitive with their own new products.

Thats actually what sold me a 9900k, knowing it would work in my z370, and it actually prevented me from going to AMD or waiting for intel 10 series.

However I did get my 9900k real cheap as well, otherwise I found it just too hard to justify any type of cpu upgrade at normal prices.

Basically a friend brought a 9900k and ended up been shipped an extra unit, I offered to buy the spare for £200 and he said yes. We both got lucky. Otherwise for sure I would still be on my 8600k.
 
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Ignoring the first month or so of stupidly high paper launch prices and averaging for the year, numbers look something like this.

6700K - 2016-19 : £300, £300, £300, £300
7700K - 2017-19 : £300, £260, £340
8700K - 2018-19 : £300, £350
9700K - 2019-20 : £380, £350

1700x - 2017-19 : £325, £220, £175
2700x - 2018-20 : £300, £200, £150
3700x - 2019-20 : £310, £260
So what you've just shown there is obsolete technology regresses in price, which is why AMD's older kit costs less than the new stuff. Intel's kit however retains its "value" because it's the same old regurgitated twaddle. The 6700K and 7700K are the same chip. The 8700K and the 9700K are the same chip. You just gotta pay the Intel motherboard tax.

Similarly, you've also shown how Intel continue to price gouge. 14nm is practically pennies to produce now and yet Intel increase prices for the same rehashed CPU.

So yeah again, lolwhut?
 
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^^ The same as in the other thread (AMD) and what you said to another member, what are you doing in her wand what are you bring to this conversation, again Touché
 
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So what you've just shown there is obsolete technology regresses in price, which is why AMD's older kit costs less than the new stuff. Intel's kit however retains its "value" because it's the same old regurgitated twaddle. The 6700K and 7700K are the same chip. The 8700K and the 9700K are the same chip. You just gotta pay the Intel motherboard tax.

Similarly, you've also shown how Intel continue to price gouge. 14nm is practically pennies to produce now and yet Intel increase prices for the same rehashed CPU.

So yeah again, lolwhut?
Listen, neither AMD, nor Intel, nor nVidia want anything more than as much of your money as they can possibly get.

They aren't your friends. They aren't making chips for the benefit of mankind, because they see it as their calling in life, or because they want to put affordable technology in your hands. They don't care about you, or me, or any of us.

That's all hippy nonsense, and no company with shareholders thinks of anything but profit and returns. None of them.

AMD charge less/give better value when they need to to drive sales, and because of their position as the underdog fighting to gain market share.

Intel charges what it does because it can, because of its dominant position.

I think people have a tendency to put AMD and other underdog companies on a pedestal; to assume that they are the "good guys". There's no such thing in business.

We've seen AMD take the **** when the roles were reversed. It could happen again.

Please, see brand loyalty for what it is - heart ruling head.
 
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So what you've just shown there is obsolete technology regresses in price, which is why AMD's older kit costs less than the new stuff. Intel's kit however retains its "value" because it's the same old regurgitated twaddle. The 6700K and 7700K are the same chip. The 8700K and the 9700K are the same chip. You just gotta pay the Intel motherboard tax.

Similarly, you've also shown how Intel continue to price gouge. 14nm is practically pennies to produce now and yet Intel increase prices for the same rehashed CPU.

So yeah again, lolwhut?

I'm not sure what you're point is. My original post agrees with everything you just said. Perhaps sarcasm now requires smiley faces.
 
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Ignoring the first month or so of stupidly high paper launch prices and averaging for the year, numbers look something like this.

6700K - 2016-19 : £300, £300, £300, £300
7700K - 2017-19 : £300, £260, £340
8700K - 2018-19 : £300, £350
9700K - 2019-20 : £380, £350

1700x - 2017-19 : £325, £220, £175
2700x - 2018-20 : £300, £200, £150
3700x - 2019-20 : £310, £260

9700k were around £300 for quite a while and included £50 game red dead.

I paid £313 for mine a few weeks back.
 
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Thats actually what sold me a 9900k, knowing it would work in my z370, and it actually prevented me from going to AMD or waiting for intel 10 series.

However I did get my 9900k real cheap as well, otherwise I found it just too hard to justify any type of cpu upgrade at normal prices.

Basically a friend brought a 9900k and ended up been shipped an extra unit, I offered to buy the spare for £200 and he said yes. We both got lucky. Otherwise for sure I would still be on my 8600k.
Jeez that’s a deal and a half.
 
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