#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?

dowie · 24 Feb 2020 at 22:01

I guess he can give up using that walker frame thing/whatever stunt he was trying to pull with that.

If he really has got a penis and a vag then prison could be fun for some of his more twisted fellow inmates.... the predator becomes the prey.

Nasher · 24 Feb 2020 at 22:13

Or he can just **** himself

Malevolence · 24 Feb 2020 at 23:09

He'll 'commit suicide' within the first few months and, coincidentally, it'll be at a time when the cameras are experiencing technical difficulties.

jpaul · 25 Feb 2020 at 11:07

em - not sure his crimes can be compared with minors/epstein, ... Andrew.

Onerous guy, but, like the defense said

https://www.theguardian.com/film/live/2020/feb/24/weinstein-guilty-verdict-latest-live-updates

Meanwhile, Arthur Aidala, one of Weinstein’s defense lawyers, told reporters that the evidence in the case “wasn’t overpowering”, as proven by how long the jury deliberated on a verdict. “

“There’s no doubt in my mind that if his name was Harvey Jones or Harold Jones, he would have not even been charged on this evidence,” Aidala said.

don't seem to know whether it was unanimous.
he'll appeal but the transactional aspect to those relationships is still a dilema, but we don't get to hear the evidence, and see how they addressed that in court,
how do they deal with the cultural environment change that has occurred since, with respect to consent, if he had been tried 10 years ago by his peers ?
The, after, comments, about whether the american justice system would be the ally to #metoo, inappropriate.

Intriguing analogue given today, surprisingly on r4 thought/prayer for the day about Mary's level of consent.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...lection-bias-big-data-and-likes-idUSKBN1ZF18C

Mark Geragos, a defense lawyer, said it is almost malpractice to ignore jurors’ online activity, particularly in high-profile cases.

When Geragos was representing Scott Peterson, who was later found guilty of the 2002 murder of his pregnant wife Laci, it came to light that a woman told an internet chatroom she had duped both legal teams to get on the California jury.

“You just never know if someone is telling the truth,” said Geragos.

Weinstein’s lawyer, Donna Rotunno, told Reuters recently that her team was considering hiring a firm to investigate jurors’ social media use to weed out bias.
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“The social media aspect can be enormously helpful in looking at people’s political motives,” said defense attorney Michael Bachner. He said Weinstein’s team will probably want to know about a potential juror’s ties to women’s causes, with “#MeToo being the obvious one.”

wonder if the jurors social media will be tracked, even now.

jpaul · 3 Mar 2020 at 22:41

Third abuse allegation against Preti Patel ... during her Trade&Industry days - can Boris deliver the coup de grâce -

dowie · 3 Mar 2020 at 22:49

jpaul said:
Third abuse allegation against Preti Patel ... during her Trade&Industry days - can Boris deliver the coup de grâce -

What's that gotta do with #MeToo? I mean I presume this isn't a sexual allegation right?

jpaul · 3 Mar 2020 at 22:58

#metoo is equal opportunity em ployer for abusive relationships

edit -> not alone with the expanded remit.

The conviction of Harvey Weinstein this week allowed the #MeToo movement to take stock. At first glance, a New York criminal case about rape in the movie industry might seem an odd juxtaposition to a Westminster story about the Home Secretary’s rows with staff. But one of the strengths of #MeToo – and one of its great weaknesses – is the rapidity with which it metastasized as a protest movement.

Sparked by the Weinstein story, #MeToo caught fire as a moment of global solidarity. Women felt free to expose for the first time the sexual leverage used by powerful men, men who long assumed their capacity for retribution would ensure silence. But from stories of rape and clear sexual blackmail (like Weinstein), it engineered conversations about lower-level sexual harassment (which characterised most stories from Westminster) and eventually workplace bullying (a charge that in Westminster has been levied, with respective denials, at John Bercow, Dominic Cummings and Priti Patel.)

fez · 4 Mar 2020 at 09:06

The world is going truly mad slowly but surely. We will end up having to create independent boards with psychologists who can decide if one person has fallen for another through their own free will and that there is no power imbalance. I know there are scumbags out there but the world seems to have paper thin skin now. Want to sleep your way to the top? Thats OK because you are the victim. Not the thousands of other people who are better at the job but weren't willing to do that. The world is not a fair place and very few people get where they want to go without sacrifice. Its your choice if you want to make those sacrifices. We will soon have people suing because they didn't spend enough time with their family because of a demanding job and now they don't have a relationship with their children.

Sankari · 11 Mar 2020 at 15:24

Weinstein gets 23 years in the slammer. That's an effective death sentence.

randomshenans · 11 Mar 2020 at 15:26

Evangelion said:
Weinstein gets 23 years in the slammer. That's an effective death sentence.

Just seen this too! Total death sentence really. Fair play, but will it have an overall effect do you think on the industry now?

do_ron_ron · 11 Mar 2020 at 15:36

He will get a pardon from his fellow *****-grabber Donald.

jsmoke · 11 Mar 2020 at 15:47

Yeh, that's a lot. Or is it. I haven't really been following the details.

Burnsy2023 · 11 Mar 2020 at 15:57

Evangelion said:
Weinstein gets 23 years in the slammer. That's an effective death sentence.

Don't you mean a "life sentence"?

StriderX · 11 Mar 2020 at 15:58

Burnsy2023 said:
Don't you mean a "life sentence"?

Well no, because he's already lived?

Hope he dies of a stroke.

Blackjack Davy · 11 Mar 2020 at 16:06

Evangelion said:
Weinstein gets 23 years in the slammer. That's an effective death sentence.

The real question is how long will he actually spend as his lawyers are sure to get him out sooner or later on ill health grounds or somesuch.

Vern1961 · 11 Mar 2020 at 16:45

Evangelion said:
Weinstein gets 23 years in the slammer. That's an effective death sentence.

And it turned out to be a very expensive BJ...

dowie · 11 Mar 2020 at 16:56

Evangelion said:
Weinstein gets 23 years in the slammer. That's an effective death sentence.

Possibly, though the minimum sentence is a bit lower, he has very expensive lawyers and justice can be a rich person's game in the US... On the other hand he's had so much media attention that perhaps that does factor into anyone daring to release him early and the inevitable outcry that would result.

Colonel_Klinck · 11 Mar 2020 at 18:17

Good the sociopathic scumbag. He ruined so many women's lives I wouldn't shed a tear if he got the same treatment in the slammer.

Sankari · 11 Mar 2020 at 21:38

Burnsy2023 said:
Don't you mean a "life sentence"?

No, I mean death sentence because he's likely to die in jail if he serves that long. Even if his lawyers bargain it down by 15 years, there's a good chance he could be murdered while he's locked up.

robgmun · 11 Mar 2020 at 21:43

Evangelion said:
No, I mean death sentence because he's likely to die in jail if he serves that long. Even if his lawyers bargain it down by 15 years, there's a good chance he could be murdered while he's locked up.

Oh please, he's not going to be locked up in a state penitentiary, just watch, he'll end up in some cushy open prison with his own guards in a nice room