AMD Navi 23 ‘NVIDIA Killer’ GPU Rumored to Support Hardware Ray Tracing, Coming Next Year

shankly1985 · 20 Mar 2020 at 10:28

That demo will be much more demanding than any ray tracing games to come out. Like pointed out above the Star wars demo was also very low FPS.

The AMD demo is way overblown the Ray tracing to try and showcase the effects in turn performance tanks.

GAC · 20 Mar 2020 at 11:02

shankly1985 said:
That demo will be much more demanding than any ray tracing games to come out. Like pointed out above the Star wars demo was also very low FPS.

The AMD demo is way overblown the Ray tracing to try and showcase the effects in turn performance tanks.

im sure from a technical standpoint when you look at the numbers its impressive, but amd's pr department yet again have dropped the ball by releasing a demo that looks horrid. yes the starwars one was running at 24fps or whatever but it looked good, this on the other hand looks like some sort of cgi thing knocked up a 20 years ago in the old demo scene for home brew cgi.

Poneros · 20 Mar 2020 at 11:29

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Gregster · 20 Mar 2020 at 11:32

Panos said:
The video processed at 24fps and uploaded at 60fps. Is not different than the RTX Star Wars demo which was at 24fps also. But wasn't published at 60fps......
Or dementia came early

Calm down, I was asking a genuine question, as it is seriously stuttery and far from smooth. If I was doing a showcase, I would want it as smooth as possible and not a stuttery mess.

Wrinkly · 20 Mar 2020 at 11:38

Gregster said:
Calm down, I was asking a genuine question, as it is seriously stuttery and far from smooth. If I was doing a showcase, I would want it as smooth as possible and not a stuttery mess.

At what time intervals are you seeing stutter?

Panos · 20 Mar 2020 at 11:47

Gregster said:
Calm down, I was asking a genuine question, as it is seriously stuttery and far from smooth. If I was doing a showcase, I would want it as smooth as possible and not a stuttery mess.

The problem with the video is 24fps rendered while processed to be uploaded on YT at 60fps.
If it was uploaded on YT at 24fps it would be smooth

In addition the quality is low because YT (with Amazon, Netflix the whole lot) are throttling video across whole Europe these days. Even if we set 1080p or 4K it goes down to 720 or 480p (Netflix).

GAC · 20 Mar 2020 at 11:49

Panos said:
In addition the quality is low because YT (Amazon, Netflix the whole lot) are throttling video these days. Even if we set 1080p or 4K it goes down to 720 or 480p (Netflix).

yes they are but thats not why it looks bad.

D.P. · 20 Mar 2020 at 11:52

GAC said:
yes they are but thats not why it looks bad.

Indeed, it just shows some boring reflections rather than actually demonstrating what RT can really do to games.

As it stands, Quake2 RT is still by far the best demonstration of what is in store for RT gaming - as long as you are intelligent enough to look past the textures and models which don;t impact RT performance at all.

Stanners · 20 Mar 2020 at 11:52

A pretty poor demo for me, looks like something from 3D Mark circa 2014. Looking forward to learning more about AMD's raytracing methods though.

Gregster · 20 Mar 2020 at 12:03

Panos said:
The problem with the video is 24fps rendered while processed to be uploaded on YT at 60fps.
If it was uploaded on YT at 24fps it would be smooth

In addition the quality is low because YT (with Amazon, Netflix the whole lot) are throttling video across whole Europe these days. Even if we set 1080p or 4K it goes down to 720 or 480p (Netflix).

Fair shout and fair answer. I am glad AMD are embracing RT though and it is all good for all of us in the future. The more it is used, the better the devs and the tech will be.

Gregster · 20 Mar 2020 at 12:04

Wrinkly said:
At what time intervals are you seeing stutter?

Not sure if serious?

LoadsaMoney · 20 Mar 2020 at 12:43

Grim5 said:
Its 1920x700 cause that's what that tech demo ran at hah

Also not gona be able to run RT then.

Gerard · 20 Mar 2020 at 14:00

Panos · 20 Mar 2020 at 15:42

LoadsaMoney said:
Also not gona be able to run RT then.

the image from the website is cropped not the video

Also the video is from Xbox not PC GPU.

Killer7xx · 20 Mar 2020 at 16:07

From what I have seen and heard so far from Sony/Microsoft, AMD's raytracing will give Nvidia's current RTX implementation a run for its money.

I think the current RTX cards will be blown away by RDNA2 and Ampere in terms of raytracing performance.

TNA · 20 Mar 2020 at 17:22

Killer7xx said:
From what I have seen and heard so far from Sony/Microsoft, AMD's raytracing will give Nvidia's current RTX implementation a run for its money.

I think the current RTX cards will be blown away by RDNA2 and Ampere in terms of raytracing performance.

Possibly. But I reckon Nvidia's 3000 series will blow RNDA2 RT away.

In the end it is just good to see AMD bringing RT.

Panos · 20 Mar 2020 at 17:43

TNA said:
Possibly. But I reckon Nvidia's 3000 series will blow RNDA2 RT away.

In the end it is just good to see AMD bringing RT.

Don't forget that with Nvidia you won't be able to use Smart Shift which Xbox, PS5 & upcoming AMD desktop products support and is the base for using the CPU to do part of the RT job also and boost graphic performance. We see it already on laptops where the tiny APU can get 10% perf for free on games.

GAC · 20 Mar 2020 at 17:54

Panos said:
Don't forget that with Nvidia you won't be able to use Smart Shift which Xbox, PS5 & upcoming AMD desktop products support and is the base for using the CPU to do part of the RT job also and boost graphic performance. We see it already on laptops where the tiny APU can get 10% perf for free on games.

smart shift been confirmed by amd for desktop then ?? thought that was one of the "possible" techs we "may" get at some point.

il say one thing though, rdna2 is amd's gen 1 ray tracing, ampere will be 2nd gen rtx, id expect a near doubling of performance on rt cores maybe even more if they shrink the node also.

Panos · 20 Mar 2020 at 18:08

GAC said:
smart shift been confirmed by amd for desktop then ?? thought that was one of the "possible" techs we "may" get at some point.

il say one thing though, rdna2 is amd's gen 1 ray tracing, ampere will be 2nd gen rtx, id expect a near doubling of performance on rt cores maybe even more if they shrink the node also.

Smart Shift is still under development but is the "hybrid" method AMD is using to do RT and we discussing for long time since AMD filled for the patent.
As for new Nvidia cards we know nothing about. All those rumours cannot even agree on anything even the process those chips will be made or the type of ram they will have. In addition none says how many RT cores the new GPUs have, to get an indication of where things are.

And my guess is with Nvidia retracting completely from the GDC, without sharing information of whats coming something the rest did, even on videos, doesn't seem right if had something interesting in technical level. Those NV videos about DXR1.1 support look like afterthought.

So regardless what gen AMD RT is on, we know nothing of the Nvidia one. Sure might be faster than the Turing gen but how much and at what cost.
Given that the only worthy RT performer is the >£1000 RTX2080ti.

Grim5 · 20 Mar 2020 at 18:10

Panos said:
Don't forget that with Nvidia you won't be able to use Smart Shift which Xbox, PS5 & upcoming AMD desktop products support and is the base for using the CPU to do part of the RT job also and boost graphic performance. We see it already on laptops where the tiny APU can get 10% perf for free on games.

I'm sorry what lol. Smart shift is for power limited applications. We don't have that issue on PC we just run everything at max power.

mans to correct you the Xbox doesn't use smart shift, it too, just runs everything at max power 24/7. Only the ps5 and laptops use it