BT Infinity & FTTx Discussion

the-evaluator · 6 May 2020 at 10:16

hardyxd said:
Anyone on 900mb getting close to max speed through powerline?

I'm not on 900Mb, nor do I have any Powerline adapters but I can answer that question. No.

b0rn2sk8 · 6 May 2020 at 10:26

No one gets close to 900mb on power line in the real world. WiFi doesn’t achieve it either (yes, I know it’s possible but it’s not realistic in most set ups).

The only real solution is to cable it up.

The question should really be, why bother paying the extra for 900mb if your only using WiFi or power lines. Drop the package and save some money or spend the money to cable it up so you can actually take advantage.

kayomani · 6 May 2020 at 10:43

My wifi 6 link is running at 1.7Gbps - pondering if its actually faster than a running cable at this point aha

Caged · 6 May 2020 at 10:52

No because a cable will do 10Gbps all day long regardless of what other clients on the network are doing

If you have a Wi-Fi 6 network though and it's performing to acceptable standards then leave it alone.

FreeStream · 6 May 2020 at 13:21

My installation date has been given as 16/7.

So two months..!

the-evaluator · 6 May 2020 at 13:33

I wonder when BT will start taking FTTP orders around here. I'd be good to get an order in, if only to be near the front of the queue when Openreach can do the in home work again.

GregI · 6 May 2020 at 23:21

Cabling from apparently Virgin is being laid outside. Will this mean BT can offer me FTTP now via these cables or is this strictly Virign only services? Kind of sucks if not since our BT contract got renewed last month.

TJM · 6 May 2020 at 23:58

GregI said:
Cabling from apparently Virgin is being laid outside. Will this mean BT can offer me FTTP now via these cables or is this strictly Virign only services? Kind of sucks if not since our BT contract got renewed last month.

Openreach and Virgin Media recently teamed up for the laying of fibre in Northern Ireland's larger towns but I'm not aware of that happening elsewhere.

Caged · 7 May 2020 at 00:18

They are completely separate networks so if Virgin Media is being installed then you'd have to subscribe to a VM service

robj20 · 7 May 2020 at 09:57

BT currently £34.99 and £9.99 setup.
Sky £28 and no setup. Easy choice for now but fingers crossed Sky get their act together and get some FTTP packages later this year.

Cob · 7 May 2020 at 10:08

TJM said:
Openreach and Virgin Media recently teamed up for the laying of fibre in Northern Ireland's larger towns but I'm not aware of that happening elsewhere.

Yip they’re literally doing my estate right now. The utility-line markers have been sprayed on the footpath outside my house.

Ayahuasca · 7 May 2020 at 10:33

You would think the government would make them team up and it would be great for competition. Just seems stupid that digging will have to be done twice for many properties!

spoffle · 7 May 2020 at 11:08

robj20 said:
BT currently £34.99 and £9.99 setup.
Sky £28 and no setup. Easy choice for now but fingers crossed Sky get their act together and get some FTTP packages later this year.

BT's headline prices aren't that firm though. When I signed up last year they gave me 300Mb with an automatic discount of £14 a month without me even asking. So instead of £59.99 I was paying £45.99. Now I'm on their gigabit package for an extra £4 (£50 a month.)

thewanted · 11 May 2020 at 13:00

I switched from TalkTalk FTTC to Vodafone FTTC today despite all of the horror stories about the latter.

These are my pings to bbc.co.uk before and after the switch:

TalkTalk:

Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=8ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.192.81: bytes=32 time=7ms TTL=58

Ping statistics for 151.101.192.81:
Packets: Sent = 942, Received = 942, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 5ms, Maximum = 67ms, Average = 6ms

Vodafone:

Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=18ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=58
Reply from 151.101.128.81: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=58

Ping statistics for 151.101.128.81:
Packets: Sent = 3988, Received = 3984, Lost = 4 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 125ms, Average = 15ms

The packet loss is a bit concerning...

b0rn2sk8 · 11 May 2020 at 13:01

Twice the latency too

the-evaluator · 11 May 2020 at 13:08

thewanted said:
The packet loss is a bit concerning...

It isn't. 4 packets lost out of nearly 4000 sent is absolutely nothing to worry about.

thewanted · 11 May 2020 at 13:18

b0rn2sk8 said:
Twice the latency too

I'm less concerned about this because it's still low, but it does show that their network is inherently "worse".

the-evaluator · 11 May 2020 at 13:33

Or it shows that there's possibly sub optimal routing in place between you and that destination host but outside of Vodafone. There could be an issue somewhere upstream for example so traffic is taking a less desirable route. Or this could be how things normally are but the constraint is upstream of Vodafone.

It doesn't necessarily point to the Vodafone network being the cause, you just can't tell that from a few pings. I'm not saying that isn't the case, but there's plenty of other possible reasons.

thewanted · 11 May 2020 at 13:55

the-evaluator said:
Or it shows that there's possibly sub optimal routing in place between you and that destination host but outside of Vodafone. There could be an issue somewhere upstream for example so traffic is taking a less desirable route. Or this could be how things normally are but the constraint is upstream of Vodafone.

It doesn't necessarily point to the Vodafone network being the cause, you just can't tell that from a few pings. I'm not saying that isn't the case, but there's plenty of other possible reasons.

This is true. I also forgot to mention that I'm not using the same router that I did with TalkTalk so I don't know if that's affecting it at all.

I decided to use the Vodafone-supplied one (for now) because it has GbE ports on it which I've missed on my old router.

Caged · 11 May 2020 at 14:02

Isn't the latency increase just going to be the DLM profile reset that happens when you change provider? Leave the modem synced up and it will most likely come back down.