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Whilst this is very true, I'm pretty sure I remember AMDs marketing during 2017 saying that the AM4 socket would see 4 generations of CPUs.
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AMD Zen 3 (5000 Series), rumored 17% IPC gain.
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Whilst this is very true, I'm pretty sure I remember AMDs marketing during 2017 saying that the AM4 socket would see 4 generations of CPUs.
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AMD cannot force board vendors to bake in 4 years of support.
If AMD allow mixed AM4 support you will have a situation where people will buy Zen 3 thinking it will work with their board because they are not CAT-THE-FITH or humbug, they are Jonny Normy browsing Rain Forest for a new AM4 CPU and AMD will get the blame and the return bill when Jonny Normy sends it back, AMD will be at fault in his mind, the press will blame AMD for the confusion...
AMD are drawing a line in the sand, its clear cut, only 500 series boards support Zen 3.
That feels crappy, its AMD being crappy....
AMD never said they will support 4 generations of Ryzen, WE surmised that ourselves, AMD never said they would support new Ryzen CPU's on older boards through 2020, again WE surmised that.
Its still AMD's fault, fine... they will take it on the chin, they know they have to, but you an i are a fraction of their customer base, at least the vast majority will not be confused by mixed support and end up buying things that then don't work.
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Technically has ha
Soldato
X370: 1000, 2000, 3000. No 4000 series. So they have not delivered on their promise.
As far I thought 4000 series is also going to use the AM4 socket, if so that would be yes. just not on previous AM4 boards
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Yeah I get it but what are people going to do about it? Look it’s not ideal, I would like 4 generations too it’s better for everybody that that would be the case. We’ve had a good run so far imo but let’s just give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Then you can all get your pitchforks out, heck I don’t own one but I’ll buy one just to join the cause. Always wanted too if I’m honest
.Official AMD B450 marketing briefing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgNOhq72Zt8
1:20 states AM4 socket not changing so people can be confident of upgrading in future.
5:37 states the price of upgrading is a bios update and not having to buy a new motherboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgNOhq72Zt8
1:20 states AM4 socket not changing so people can be confident of upgrading in future.
5:37 states the price of upgrading is a bios update and not having to buy a new motherboard.
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"Planed Support UNTIL 2020" even the slide stops at the end of 2019.
The problem is if the B550 was out in 2019,then it wouldn't be a problem. But the B450 was the mainstream for Zen2,so 2/3 of the way through the lifespan of Zen2,AMD state,"oh,btw,no zen3 support". They should have just stated it at launch and be done with it.
Then,with slides like that people put a lot of trust in them(yes,there was probably a disclaimer).
It should be doable with the 16mb BIOS chips,as many X570 motherboards also use the smaller size. Companies such as MSI do BIOS flashback, so don't need to have full support for old CPUs with a Zen3 BIOS as you don't need a CPU to run the update!
I mean if you go by what that slide literally says, then AM4 support would have ended in late 2019. Also X570 does not officially have to support Ryzen 1000 or any of the bulldozer AM4 CPUs that came before. That way those OEMs could get away with using 16MB as they were required to support only two generations of Ryzen at launch. I have feeling that they will also run into some problems if Zen4 is also AM4, but very likely it won't be so that will save them the problems.
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AMD would do well to rename the damn socket too, to avoid any confusion at all.
Soldato
Again nothing to do with years of support,it's what they did for Zen2 which is the problem here. They waited for 12 months. That is 100% their fault. Nothing stopped them releasing B550 last year. They released a B450 for Zen+ when it launched,but did nothing for Zen2. Nothing stopping them making a B450X with certified support for Zen3. They did nothing. They made the reference design for the platform...they could have specified larger BIOSes like Martini said(and he was correct) and they did nothing.
For 12 months they could have stepped in, and said something and chose to not do something despite having people on social media.
Then they for 12 months said nothing to end customers and also were not 100% accurate to OEMs about support.
They are at fault here. Its the same with all their GPU launches...they screw all that up,and its never their fault. It's never AMD's fault....yet Intel and Nvidia get criticised for everything. This is entirely their fault.
Even X399 owners,were left high and dry.
Socket 754,AM2,AM3,FM1 and FM2 owners were left high and dry. They have a history of doing this. Now they look to be ahead(well with Zen3 they will I expect),now they have changed tact.
Anyway,what has happened,has happened. People will now have to accept AMD did this,and not to believe their marketing,or give them the benefit of the doubt,just like Intel or Nvidia.
The bar ends at the end of 2020. I also don't understand why they didn't just specifiy larger BIOS chips,as it hardly will matter if a motherboard costs £2 more!
Zen4 is probably DDR5,so I expect Zen3 to be the last AM4 generation. Maybe Zen4 will have a hybrid memory controller,but DDR4 might be a bottleneck.
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More shocking for me than lack of B450 support is the lack of X470 support.
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This is why I pay little heed to what is not already here and now; why the notion of 'future proofing' is always 'subject to change'.
That was a little surprising but more money for those that make this kind of decision.
It doesn't bode well for X570 should they release X670.
Soldato
They have already confirmed full support for 5 series boards. (X570 and B550)
X570 is not even 1 year old yet. It was released what June/July last year.
Soldato
Apparently someone decompiled the BIOS of their X370 motherboard,which supports Bristol Ridge to Zen2:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/gfugqr/i_just_opened_the_last_asus_bios_for_the_x370/
It's well under 16MB.8MB~11MB for BIOSes.
Support,not full support. So if they release an X670 or B650,what if the Zen3 CPUs have additional features which work only on the newer chipsets?? Things like improved boost mechanisms,overclocking,etc.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/gfugqr/i_just_opened_the_last_asus_bios_for_the_x370/
It's well under 16MB.8MB~11MB for BIOSes.
Support,not full support. So if they release an X670 or B650,what if the Zen3 CPUs have additional features which work only on the newer chipsets?? Things like improved boost mechanisms,overclocking,etc.
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they will release x670 alongside zen3 but they've said X570 is able to use zen3 with a bios update
Then you manually overclock it like mine, PBO/Boost is junk anyway
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