NVIDIA ‘Ampere’ 8nm Graphics Cards

[Twinz]

Pcars2 is glorious in vr, worked awsome in my cv1 but game started not regeresting my csl elite so cant play it anymore.
Acc in vr is horrible, will upgrade vr when I've got more gpu horsepower.

Reverb a big jump in clarity?

Reverb is a huge jump in clarity. I have also tried a Rift S and it was only a tiny bit better than the CV1 visually. WMR software needed to run the Reverb is a bit sketchy though. I am still trying to fix an issue where I take the headset off, go to my desk and, if the sim is still running, lose control of my mouse at the desk. Ctrl+alt+del/end task (kill PC2) brings control back, but then I have to restart the sim.

I agree that ACC is bad for VR. The interface is crap and the AA they use makes stuff crazy blurry, so I have to choose between Minecraft -jaggy or half-drunk blurry.

I just upgraded from the old CSL Elite to the new CSL Elite because after 2k hrs, the old base had some letteral play on the steering axis....they both work in PC2 for me and PC2's code hasn't changed in a long time. Your issue should be fixable. (cable, driver etc)

 

[LoadsaMoney]

Nvidia getting sued by investors.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-sued-cryptocurrency-mining-revenue/

 

[varkanoid]

At least the 3070 will have much better RT performance and there will be some games that actually are available to use it on

That you can count on one hand. The RT games for the 3xxx series are Cyberpunk, and er, erm, er, mmm, er ?

 

[danlightbulb]

Nvidia getting sued by investors.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-sued-cryptocurrency-mining-revenue/

Why would shareholders care where the revenue came from, they would have had hugely increased profits because of it?

 

[TNA]

That you can count on one hand. The RT games for the 3xxx series are Cyberpunk, and er, erm, er, mmm, er ?

3 games I am looking forward to most playing this year have it. I am happy with that as up until now not 1 game I am interested in playing has had it

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

Why would shareholders care where the revenue came from, they would have had hugely increased profits because of it?

Because profits from mining were a once off? And not sustainable so investors may have been mislead on potential future profits?

 

[danlightbulb]

Cheapest 980Ti i believe was £540 at launch, £689.99 for a 1080Ti and £1049 for the 2080Ti.

Thanks.

So around June 2015 when the 980ti came out, £1 would buy you $1.55.

In March 2017 when the 1080ti came out, £1 would buy you $1.25.

And in September 2018 for the 2080ti, we were at around £1 to $1.30.

General inflation runs around 3% per year depending on the index.


So from June 15 to March 17, we'd expect 1.75 years of inflation so that's 3% x 1.75 = 5.25%; call it 5%.

And the pound devalued compared to the dollar by around 20%.

So taking price of 980ti of £540 x 5% x 20% = £680 for the 1080ti, which was what it was.

But then since the 1080ti the dollar had weakened slightly (-4%) and we'd have another 18 months of inflation (say 5%), so broadly no change in the underlying metrics at 2080ti release.


The mining boom was around late 2017 to early 2018 (when it all went crazy), which saw the 10xx cards get way inflated and which then persisted into the release of the 20xx series.

To me that's probably the entire reason.


Now hopefully the mining drop off has seen new sales massively fall and profits down compared to previous years (hence investor's moaning) and so if we start from the baseline of the 1080ti at £690 in March 2017 compared to now:

Well now the currency is £1 to $1.21, which is about +3% compared to March 2017 and we'd have 3 years of inflation so around 9%. So £690 x 1.03 x 1.09 = around £775.



So the equivalent price of the 3080ti would / should be around £775. Obviously my calcs are rough.

There should be no reason to hold on to mining boom prices now.

 

[LoadsaMoney]

I think that the earlier they release the cards the more they will be able to charge, thanks to the impending releases of the new consoles. Once the new consoles are released - or even in the close offing - then the value proposition changes radically and consumers are going to ask why they should pay £X when they can get a whole console for £Y. And then there's the whole competition thing, with the consoles being powered by AMD chips.

I'll not be paying £500 for 4k30, 1440p30, no RT.

You have to laugh, we've got cards costing around that price, that can run higher frames than that, at higher resolutions than that, and with RT on, getting absolutely slaughtered

 

[BubbySoup]

There should be no reason to hold on to mining boom prices now.

Except when you realise you can keep on selling them at that price and people will buy them in enough quantities for you to turn a healthy profit.

 

[varkanoid]

3 games I am looking forward to most playing this year have it. I am happy with that as up until now not 1 game I am interested in playing has had it

Spending £500+ on a graphics card just so you can have fancy lighting and reflections in 3 games that you probably wont notice as you are too busy playing is another arguement to go console

Thanks.
So the equivalent price of the 3080ti would / should be around £775. Obviously my calcs are rough.

add another £1000 due to sale and demand as everyone will be fighting over the 100 or so 3080ti's that land in Q4.

 

[Jacky60]

Does anyone have the launch prices (real prices that they were available to buy at in the UK with VAT, not paper launch dollar prices) for the 980ti, 1080ti and 2080ti? And also perhaps the 970, 1070 and 2070?

From what I remember including VAT in the UK my 980ti FEs were £649 and my 1080ti FE was £699.

 

[Captain]

From what I remember including VAT in the UK my 980ti FEs were £649 and my 1080ti FE was £699.

Forgot the FE was more expensive! Palit launched at £559.

 

[danlightbulb]

Cheapest 980Ti i believe was £540 at launch, £689.99 for a 1080Ti and £1049 for the 2080Ti.

From what I remember including VAT in the UK my 980ti FEs were £649 and my 1080ti FE was £699.

Its hard to get a proper baseline on pricing when prices jump around so much.

Here is quick compilation using pricespy, showing the 980ti, 1080ti and 2080ti. I've tried to line up the timelines by eye.



The 980ti was usually between £500 and £600 but there was a period in the middle where prices dropped as low as £3-400, in the second half of 2016. Then jumped back up to £500 at the start of 2017.

When the 1080ti was released it was initially around £700, then when the mining boom occurred in early 2018 they rose up to £800 and never dropped from there.

The 2080ti started at £1150 ish and has fluctuated between around £1100 and £1150 ever since.


What's most interesting to me here is not the 2080ti but the 1080ti. Oddly it was best value at launch and later offers/discounts were poor.

It looks like all the damage was done in that one year, from July 2017 through to Summer 2018.


The only card to display what might be expected is the 980ti. It started high, dropped a little after launch, then stayed level for a while, then started to fall in price just before the 10xx range came out.

 

[Razor Time]

From what I remember including VAT in the UK my 980ti FEs were £649 and my 1080ti FE was £699.

I paid £522 for my Gigabyte 980Ti FE on launch.

 

[K1LaW8tt5]

Its hard to get a proper baseline on pricing when prices jump around so much.

Here is quick compilation using pricespy, showing the 980ti, 1080ti and 2080ti. I've tried to line up the timelines by eye.



The 980ti was usually between £500 and £600 but there was a period in the middle where prices dropped as low as £3-400, in the second half of 2016. Then jumped back up to £500 at the start of 2017.

When the 1080ti was released it was initially around £700, then when the mining boom occurred in early 2018 they rose up to £800 and never dropped from there.

The 2080ti started at £1150 ish and has fluctuated between around £1100 and £1150 ever since.


What's most interesting to me here is not the 2080ti but the 1080ti. Oddly it was best value at launch and later offers/discounts were poor.

It looks like all the damage was done in that one year, from July 2017 through to Summer 2018.


The only card to display what might be expected is the 980ti. It started high, dropped a little after launch, then stayed level for a while, then started to fall in price just before the 10xx range came out.

Looks like the mining millionaires ruined it for everyone.

 

[TNA]

Spending £500+ on a graphics card just so you can have fancy lighting and reflections in 3 games that you probably wont notice as you are too busy playing is another arguement to go console

I am not happy about the price, doubt it will be £500+ though. I don't pay no Asus tax and I am pretty sure the founder edition will be under £500. It is a card I will likely keep for 2-3 years so I will likely play at least a dozen if not more RT games, not just 3 over that time period.

End of the day the 3070 will be similar performance to a 2080Ti (if not on release, will likely catch up through drivers), it will have much better RT performance, it will run cooler, quieter and get future driver optimisation.

As for the console, I did think about it. Can't think of a reason to pick it up day one for £500 as it won't have any exclusives that make full use of what they offer. That will take 2-3 years, by which time the price will drop to around £300 which is when I will get a PS5. So win win for me and my needs.

 

[Jacky60]

I paid £522 for my Gigabyte 980Ti FE on launch.

I bought mine from Nvidia but my memory may be wrong.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

New consoles are very tempting this time round.
If a gfx card same price as a console doesnt offer similar or better performance then time to make the switch.

 

[JediFragger]

I bought mine from Nvidia but my memory may be wrong.

See if it was a 2080Ti then that would be quite a good joke

 

[BigBANGtheory]

What's most interesting to me here is not the 2080ti but the 1080ti. Oddly it was best value at launch and later offers/discounts were poor.

...because the supply is closely monitored, Nvidia know when to stop ordering new silicon in a similar way car manufacturers produce vehicles. They want to avoid over supply, discounting and then competing with their own products. As it happened they over ordered Pascal and came up with a solution to avoid selling surplus silicon at lower prices. Good for the company, really ****** for the consumer.