BT Infinity & FTTx Discussion

Soldato
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hi they are all wired - not sure why it's showing the wifi logo

Do you get the same results when downloading from a known good site ? I just downloaded some drivers from Nvidia and updates from Microsoft and both downloaded in the 700-900Mbps range.

One thing I didn't notice yesterday was my upload speed is capped at 100Mbps.

Appears to have zero slow down in peak times.
 
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I paid for the Fibre halo package that gives 130-140 or something and included one of those BT discs.

The Engineer came round today and set me up and I am getting 161 Downstream sync speed, he also told me that they have been laying fire around the area for months and another company are installing gigabit internet on my road too lol.

So a lot of good news today! I am really pleased so far.
 
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Is there any truth to the rumor that the more 'properties passed' you accrue on your FTTPoD order, the more of a reduction you get on the installation quote? I've been searching for information all day but Openreach seem to be really cloak and daggers when it comes to any information on their pricing scheme since they revamped the distance-based charging structure!
 
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So overall what is the best router to use to obtain the full 900mb? Would the Router/modem they provide and running a network cable to my PC be fine?

I replaced my BT Smart Hub 2 with a 'Netgear Nighthawk X4S R7800' a couple of weeks ago and it's been rock solid to the full 900Mbps since (in fact always pushing 930-940Mbps).

I could never really max out the Smart Hub (normally 850Mbps or so) and found it couldn't really handle a high amount of simultaneous connections. I also had frequent disconnects which lasted around 3 minutes, turned out it was BT constantly applying some kind of update to the Smart Hub. Since I switched to the Netgear not a single disconnect in the last couple of weeks.
 
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Is there any truth to the rumor that the more 'properties passed' you accrue on your FTTPoD order, the more of a reduction you get on the installation quote? I've been searching for information all day but Openreach seem to be really cloak and daggers when it comes to any information on their pricing scheme since they revamped the distance-based charging structure!

I believe that's the case, yes, but the number of properties seems to be taken as complete guesswork from some of the quotes people have had here and elsewhere. There's a long thread on Thinkbroadband.com about peoples experiences.
 
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So overall what is the best router to use to obtain the full 900mb? Would the Router/modem they provide and running a network cable to my PC be fine?

The BT one is meant to be good enough, but it really is at its limits. If you want a all in one consumer focused router then as per Rendog says the R7800, or ASUS RT86U supposedly can do 1gbps, but both are at their limits as well.

If you know a bit of networking then Ubiquiti (ER-4 and above, although the ER-X etc can do it but best not) or Mikrotik (various but best SoHo router at moment is the RB4011).

Another option is pfSense / Opnsense, gives you loads of more functionality and a Odroid H2 running either can easily cope with a 1gbps connection, or just use a spare PC.
 
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I eventually plan on getting the Ubiquiti ER-4, what I like about FTTP is that the modem is separate from the router, so free to choose what you like.
Even though I'm only going for the 150Mb plan to start with I want everything to be 1Gb capable.
My Cat6 wiring should be 10Gb capable as well for the future.

Plusnet sent me a confusing letter today about leaving my contact early which they have wrong, contact is up 28th May, change over is 9th June so how is that before. I'm guessing it's from when the letter was printed 26th May.
But I hope I don't have to argue with them.
 
Soldato
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fast.com isn’t a good test as it goes to a local CDN on the ISPs network, generally when you are up to 1Gbps connections it’s hard to get a reliable test and you can run into limitations on the sites you connect to, rather than individual users these high speed packages are really for multiple users downloading with no slow downs.

I go with what I am able to download my usual files at although nperf.com pretty good I pick a site in Europe to make sure it’s leaving the ISPs network.
 
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It's fine for seeing if a router is up to the task, though. I would have been surprised if the hardware supplied for the 1Gbps product isn't capable of supporting it, and the Fast.com results confirm that.
 
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That's why I have chosen a relatively slow 150Mb. At most we might have someone streaming 4k and someone downloading files at the same time.
The faster upload I think we'll be most noticeable and I'm guessing ping times should improve over FTTC.
 
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Ping changes will be marginal, it's far more affected by things like physical distance (to London, mostly). I can ping at 6ms to bbc.co.uk on my FTTC about 20 miles out of London, but a customer I have in Leicestershire gets 12ms on a fibre circuit.
 
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I am on fttc zen 80/20,

Ping where done when the connection is least saturated so no downloads nothing, i used to get 40-50ms on virgin media but now i get 10-13ms ish on zen and ping times is why i moved from virgin media to zen,

Pings on zen used to be something like 17-20ms at worst and 13-15ms at best but better than virgin media.

C:\Users\Dan>ping www.bbc.co.uk

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.237.253] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.237.253: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=52
Reply from 212.58.237.253: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=52
Reply from 212.58.237.253: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=52
Reply from 212.58.237.253: bytes=32 time=11ms TTL=52

Ping statistics for 212.58.237.253:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 10ms, Maximum = 11ms, Average = 10ms

C:\Users\Dan>tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.237.253]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms fritz.box [192.168.178.1]
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms losubs.subs.bng1.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.17]
3 10 ms 12 ms 10 ms ae1-177.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.38]
4 10 ms 10 ms 11 ms rt-lonap-b.thdo.bbc.co.uk [5.57.80.90]
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms ae0.er01.telhc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.109]
7 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 132.185.255.148
8 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms 212.58.238.4
9 11 ms 10 ms 11 ms 212.58.237.253

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Dan>tracert www.google.co.uk

Tracing route to www.google.co.uk [172.217.169.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms fritz.box [192.168.178.1]
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms losubs.subs.bng1.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.17]
3 11 ms 10 ms 10 ms ae1-177.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.38]
4 11 ms 12 ms 11 ms 72.14.223.28
5 14 ms 13 ms 13 ms 216.239.48.217
6 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms 172.253.66.89
7 11 ms 11 ms 10 ms lhr48s08-in-f3.1e100.net [172.217.169.35]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Dan>

I am happy my ping times are like 10 ms now though.
 

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I'm using CF DNS too, no AWS here. (ZEN 80/20)

Code:
Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.237.251] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.237.251: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=53
Reply from 212.58.237.251: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=53
Reply from 212.58.237.251: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=53
Reply from 212.58.237.251: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=53

Ping statistics for 212.58.237.251:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 6ms, Maximum = 6ms, Average = 6ms


Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.237.251]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  RT-AC86U-7B40 [192.168.1.2]
  2     6 ms     6 ms     6 ms  losubs.subs.bng2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.21]
  3     7 ms     8 ms     6 ms  ae1-183.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.86.82]
  4     9 ms     7 ms     7 ms  rt-lonap-b.thdo.bbc.co.uk [5.57.80.90]
  5     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  6    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  ae0.er01.telhc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.254.109]
  7     7 ms    10 ms     7 ms  132.185.255.148
  8     7 ms     7 ms     6 ms  212.58.238.5
  9     6 ms     7 ms     6 ms  212.58.237.251

Trace complete.
 

RSR

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Soldato
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I'm on Zen FTTC with the following but I use Quad DNS:

Code:
ping bbc.co.uk

Pinging bbc.co.uk [151.101.64.81] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=60
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=60
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=6ms TTL=60
Reply from 151.101.64.81: bytes=32 time=5ms TTL=60

Ping statistics for 151.101.64.81:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 5ms, Maximum = 6ms, Average = 5ms

Code:
tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [151.101.64.81]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  unifi.home.local [10.10.1.1]
  2     6 ms     5 ms     5 ms  vt2.cor1.lond2.ptn.zen.net.uk [51.148.72.43]
  3     6 ms     7 ms     6 ms  ae-3.pe1.ixn-lon.zen.net.uk [51.148.73.2]
  4     8 ms    16 ms     9 ms  ae-1.pe1.thn-lon.zen.net.uk [51.148.73.94]
  5     7 ms     9 ms    10 ms  vl-50.ae-6.cr1.th-lon.zen.net.uk [51.148.73.57]
  6     6 ms     6 ms     5 ms  195.66.227.114
  7     6 ms     5 ms     5 ms  151.101.64.81

Trace complete.
 
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