What have you done to your car today?

Nasher · 19 Aug 2020 at 13:36

P Zeros don't seem to be very good in UK conditions. Apparently they aren't to bad in hotter climates.

But yea there are a bunch of different versions of them. The OEM P-Zeros you get from Porsche etc aren't the same.

neepheid · 19 Aug 2020 at 20:36

Painted my rear drums today. Was too lazy to do it when I got them replaced in February, paid the price with an extended scrubbing session with the wire brush

Orange-y brown neglect.

Much bettah!

sideways14a · 19 Aug 2020 at 21:01

So today was lowering day on the mx5, 15-20 mm on the springs and 20mm spacers to flush em out.

Handling is now like a go cart.

tsinc80697 · 19 Aug 2020 at 23:56

Put it up for sale, and took a deposit! MOT booked for next week so fingers crossed it passes and the sale goes through

Dis86 · 20 Aug 2020 at 09:18

sideways14a said:
So today was lowering day on the mx5, 15-20 mm on the springs and 20mm spacers to flush em out.

Handling is now like a go cart.

Imagine how good the handling would be if you hadn't put the spacers on!

paradigm · 20 Aug 2020 at 09:46

Today is the day my S3 goes off to it's new home. No plans to replace immediately, but hopefully a 997.2 (or possibly R8 V8) that meets my spec will be forthcoming over the next few months!

Akagi · 20 Aug 2020 at 09:52

Dis86 said:
Imagine how good the handling would be if you hadn't put the spacers on!

Fitting spacers achieves the same thing as fitting lower offset wheels. It widens the track. And if it effects the handling, it will make it better, not worse!

Dis86 · 20 Aug 2020 at 09:58

Acme said:
I don't think you know what you're talking about sir.

I don't think you do. Spacers negatively impact handling.

Shoza · 20 Aug 2020 at 10:02

New Michelin Primacy tyres at the front fitted.

also booked it in for a full detail which I’ve never had before but it’s 5 years old and thought I’d treat it. Guy coming on the 8 September to do the work.

grudas · 20 Aug 2020 at 10:09

Dis86 said:
I don't think you do. Spacers negatively impact handling.

they just widen the track. How does that negatively impact the handling?

Dis86 · 20 Aug 2020 at 10:14

grudas said:
they just widen the track. How does that negatively impact the handling?

Because they widen the track outside of the suspension geometry. On the front wheels this causes an increase to the positive scrub radius leading to an increase in camber when turning. This decreases the effective tyre contact area with the road leading to understeer.
If you run a negative scrub radius on the front then it causes it to tend towards zero which is even worse.

They also increase the distance from the wheel to the suspension dampers acting as a lever thus making the sprigs and dampers less softer. Not a great way to increase handling...

InvaderGIR · 20 Aug 2020 at 10:14

Dis86 said:
I don't think you do. Spacers negatively impact handling.

No, @Acme is correct and you are not.

As @grudas has also said, it widens the track. Generally speaking this will result in much better handling and not worse, in fact I'm not sure I've ever seen it make things worse.

E: Just...what at that load of garbage you've written.

Dis86 · 20 Aug 2020 at 10:17

InvaderGIR said:
No, @Acme is correct and you are not.

As @grudas has also said, it widens the track. Generally speaking this will result in much better handling and not worse, in fact I'm not sure I've ever seen it make things worse.

E: Just...what at that load of garbage you've written.

Come on then, prove it wrong.

InvaderGIR · 20 Aug 2020 at 10:24

Dis86 said:
Come on then, prove it wrong.

Please add sources for your 'science'.

I have used spacers in the past with literally no adverse effects to my suspension geometry or changing the spring rates (just lol at that). The only thing that has ever changed anything other than the track is replacing bushes, springs and dampers etc. which are major changes and so require an alignment. Adding a small spacer does not change any of the things you're jabbering on about. Don't attempt to sound smart or like you're backing things up with science when you're clearly just making things up because you don't have experience of something.

neepheid · 20 Aug 2020 at 10:44

Having felt a little proud of myself for having done some rudimentary preventative maintenance - levelling up from doing my own oil/filter change, I now get the feeling of having drifted inadvertently into the deep end and one of my armbands is deflating...

Dis86 · 20 Aug 2020 at 10:45

InvaderGIR said:
Please add sources for your 'science'.

I have used spacers in the past with literally no adverse effects to my suspension geometry or changing the spring rates (just lol at that). The only thing that has ever changed anything other than the track is replacing bushes, springs and dampers etc. which are major changes and so require an alignment. Adding a small spacer does not change any of the things you're jabbering on about. Don't attempt to sound smart or like you're backing things up with science when you're clearly just making things up because you don't have experience of something.

So that's a no, you've got nothing to refute that then?

InvaderGIR · 20 Aug 2020 at 10:49

Dis86 said:
So that's a no, you've got nothing to refute that then?

And you have nothing to back up your 'science' it seems So that's a no, you've got nothing to refute that then?

Honestly, you and a few others don't half post some drivel and act like you know what you're talking about by making up random rubbish to sound like you're an authority and smart when in fact you clearly aren't.

Increasing the track width of a car by a few mm really does not affect anything, from personal experience and from the experience of many, many others around the world who fit spacers and/or different offset wheels.

On a separate note, it'll be nice when the schools go back...

Akagi · 20 Aug 2020 at 11:01

Good to see you've got this under control @InvaderGIR

InvaderGIR · 20 Aug 2020 at 11:05

Acme said:
Good to see you've got this under control @InvaderGIR

Anyway, back on topic I guess....I've done nothing to my car today as I don't have a car anymore.

Dis86 · 20 Aug 2020 at 11:05

InvaderGIR said:
And you have nothing to back up your 'science' it seems So that's a no, you've got nothing to refute that then?

Honestly, you and a few others don't half post some drivel and act like you know what you're talking about by making up random rubbish to sound like you're an authority and smart when in fact you clearly aren't.

Increasing the track width of a car by a few mm really does not affect anything, from personal experience and from the experience of many, many others around the world who fit spacers and/or different offset wheels.

On a separate note, it'll be nice when the schools go back...

Out if curiosity, where did you do your mech eng degree?

Or...as I suspect do you actually have no knowledge and you're working on nothing but assumption?