Soldato
It's only a regression if they stop selling and making the 3900X, which incidentally can be had for €379 ~£347.
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AMD Zen3 event thread
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Soldato
Perhaps I'm just not as easily impressed as most on here then?
To impress me enough to part with money would require a CPU company to release a 8c/16t chip that is faster at everything, than my current 8c16t CPU (3700X) for the same price as it was released at.
I can't make it any more simpler than that.
To impress me enough to part with money would require a CPU company to release a 8c/16t chip that is faster at everything, than my current 8c16t CPU (3700X) for the same price as it was released at.
I can't make it any more simpler than that.
Gen on gen its still a regression though which is poor.
A lot of the AMD subreddit isn't happy. Most of my mates have just gone meh,and will just stick with what they have for longer. Maybe AMD is trying to Jebait us,and will drop pricing before the reviews?
Soldato
The 2700X and 3700X were both $329 on release. This launch is really missing that price point. I wouldn't be happy dropping 2 cores to the 5600X.
Soldato
It's a $50 penalty, but for that penalty you are gaining 19% performance (TBC) per core/thread, so an almost 20% uplift in performance for a 12.5% increase in price, so if you wipe of the difference and do an Intel 3-5% per generational increase at the same cost, you are getting 7.5% more for nothing extra, right?
Its a $100 penalty as this is the 3600 replacement and shares the same TDP which the 3600X does not.
It also has the same low end Wraith Stealth cooler as the Ryzen 5 3600 and Ryzen 3 3200G. The 65W TDP Ryzen 7 3700X was $330 with a Wraith Prism RGB cooler. The Ryzen 5 5600X is only $30 less but with a cooler 2 to 3 tiers lower. The Wraith Stealth also runs quite warm too.
Soldato
Didn't realise we were comparing TDP's as the primary factor, thought was performance and cost per core. How much is the TDP loss/gain worth then?
i honestly think AMD is basically setting these prices just before the sales season to cash in on margins as there will be plenty people wanting these chips like right now as everyone is working from home, the old sandy bridge is now getting a lot of usage. As soon as Black Friday coming, you will see those $50 knocked off the prices. thats why they will be flying off the shelves.A lot of the AMD subreddit isn't happy. Most of my mates have just gone meh,and will just stick with what they have for longer. Maybe AMD is trying to Jebait us,and will drop pricing before the reviews?
Ryzen 5 2600 > ryzen 5 3600 > ryzen 5 5600X 65w
Ryzen 5 2600X > ryzen 5 3600X ryzen 5 5???unreleased part 95w
So it's clearly the 3600 replacement but with an X just like the 3700X was the successor to the 2700 non X while the 3800X was actually the 2700X successor.
The X just helps justify the large price increase as people will think they're getting a higher in the stack product. Kind of like what nvidia did with the 3090 so people think they were getting a cheap Titan rather than an overpriced 3080ti.
which 8 core are you comparing the 5800x to? 3700x? thats a different SKU. 3800x at launch is $399; 5800x $449 - increase of 12.5%; performance increase is 19% so you are getting more for each $.
what is going on in this world.
Soldato
You didn't answer the question though, how much is the TDP gain/loss worth in $.
You are getting 19% more performance for less TDP as well.
Well the marketing clearly has many here fooled.
So lets compare it to a SKU which already was poor value to make it look better than it really is.
For gaming you wont notice any improvement as most of the slides showed under a 5% gain over a stock 10900k @1080p.
Soldato
Marketing? Are we basing this on facts and figures, or am I missing something?
Did the 3600X exist? Yes. Does the 5600X exist? Yes.
Ryzen 5 2600X 95w, 3.6GHZ base, 4.2GHz boost released at $229
Ryzen 5 3600X 95w, 3.8GHz Base, 4.4GHz boost released at $249
Ryzen 5 5600X 65w, 3.7GHz Base, 4.6GHz boost released at $299
The standard 3600 was 3.6GHz base, and 4.2GHz boost at 65W, and as such you can expect the standard 5600 to be 3.5/3.6GHz base with a 4.4GHz boost, at ~$229+ Just because it hasn't been released or announced doesn't mean it can't be.
Are you annoyed that they've made the X part more efficient due to the lower TDP? It seems that if you are comparing like for like using model number or power, you chose one or the other not both, otherwise you are saying they are not allowed to make improvements to the TDP.
You started at the 8c sku. If you want to compare to 3700x with 5800x. 3700x is behind on 3800x by 5%. So that’s a performance gap of 24%, 3700x launch is at $329 so 36% increase. Not that crazy as per your original post saying 37% increase 19% performance boost.
so if you want value why look at the 8c?? You said it yourself it is the least bang for buck so why bring it up?
12c part 19% gain, 10% price hike
6c part 19% gain, 20% price hike.
You can’t pick and choose. You need to be fair.