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Talk to me about.. 2017+ VAG Engines / DSG
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I think the 1.5 issues were mostly (if not all) related to manual cars with people complaining of kangarooing.
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Did you say October?
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People say this, but have you actually had first hand experience? I've had a DSG failure on my TT, the cost for a rebuild (mechatronic and a clutch pack) was not massively more (a few hundred quid more) than a clutch and flywheel job on a manual equivalent.
Not really that much of a worry.
DSG issues seem mostly related a couple of engine models IIRC (one of which I don't believe we get in the UK) - most of the engine issues I've heard about are quite specific to 1.4 and 1.5 models.
My parents have and do run a variety of VW vehicles with decent reliability over all - but they are all 1.9 or 2.0 TDI models - the only remotely common issue has been turbo related at around 70K miles.
My parents have and do run a variety of VW vehicles with decent reliability over all - but they are all 1.9 or 2.0 TDI models - the only remotely common issue has been turbo related at around 70K miles.
DSG warranty is just part of the car warranty. As standard that's 2yr unlimited mileage, 3yr 60k miles. You can purchase an extended warranty, the price of which is dependent on the car, cover level and your expected mileage.
Servicing requirements for DSG depend entirely on which version you have. On a 17 plate or newer 1.0/1.5 TSI this will be a dry clutch DQ200 7 speed which has no official service schedule. These are also generally historically the more unreliable version of DSG but I don't recall actually seeing many complaints about them in more recent vehicles. Jump up to a 2.0 and you'll get either a DQ250 6 speed (on some 2017 cars) or a DQ380 7 speed (introduced 2017, replaced the 6 speed across most models during 2018). These have routine oil changes required. Every 40k for the DQ250, 80k for DQ380 (though you'll see many, including me, doing it at 40k anyway).
If the extended warranty was cheap enough, I'd run an extended warranty. It ought to be pretty cheap on a smaller engined Octavia, as it wasn't hugely expensive for my vRS.
There aren't any engines to avoid particularly on a 2017+ car, certainly from a reliability perspective. The 1.5TSI issues were manual cars, with the kangarooing as mentioned above, not an issue on a DSG car.
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Early DSG were awful. The ones now are fine if you treat them right. Read the manual and do what it says in the manual. The biggest issue with DSG/S-tronic is the servicing. £150 every 40,000 miles. So on long service intervals every other service is a major service. And if it’s not been done then you will need a full gearbox rebuild at some point.
I took out an extended warranty on a Mk6 Golf 1.4 Tsi DSG, which I understand has the dry clutch DQ200 gearbox. I did a lot of research into this at the time (a few years ago now) and whilst a lot of people said the gearbox oil could be changed, the official stance by VW was that it's a "sealed for life" system.
Couple of questions for the experts on here:
1. Given VW have confirmed it's "sealed for life", has anyone ever had any problems with the extended warranty if the DSG oil has never been changed?
2. Re the servicing requirements for the extended warranty. The T&Cs say:
I also checked with them multiple times on the phone that I could get the car independently serviced. Having never had to claim, I've not been able to test this. Has anyone had experience of claiming if you do not use a franchised dealer for servicing?
Couple of questions for the experts on here:
1. Given VW have confirmed it's "sealed for life", has anyone ever had any problems with the extended warranty if the DSG oil has never been changed?
2. Re the servicing requirements for the extended warranty. The T&Cs say:
I also checked with them multiple times on the phone that I could get the car independently serviced. Having never had to claim, I've not been able to test this. Has anyone had experience of claiming if you do not use a franchised dealer for servicing?
Same here. Golf 1.6 TDI. Started to fail. Got the Leon SC 1.8TSI, started to fail.
Missus had an A-Class, 180d, covered 90k+ miles, no issues. I'm driving a new shape A-Class, 200d, no issues. Drove Mazda CX-5 Auto, also no issues. I wouldn't drive another VAG auto, sorry.
VAG have claimed other things never needed changing and then parts started to fail once they were well out of warranty (like timing chains). Then they mugged owners off, offering no help.
So definitely do not follow their guidence with the "sealed for life" rubbish. If it's a moving part then it needs servicing.
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True.
The sealed for life needs an oil change. Very few dealers would do it, most will keep repeating the mantra sealed for life.
The main issue with the DSG wasn't even a fault, but behaviour. The hesitation coming to a stop, then accelerating again, never 100% the car would pull before a SUV/White van T-bone your car.
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Indeed. I think the issue is a lack of reliability later in the life of the vehicle.
Any thoughts on the independent servicing vs franchise? I wish I'd recorded the calls confirming this - although the T&Cs do not explicitly say anything about having to be done by a franchised dealer. Again, I can see it being used as a get out clause.
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You need a VAT receipt and a statement (or ideally a list of parts with numbers) stating that the car has been serviced to manufacturers requirements using genuine parts. That’s about as bullet-proof as you’ll get.
Cheers!
could look at golf estates https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202011035724085
or get something newer like a 308 estate with (better) tc gearbox bmw use