Children and teens cannot understand the consequences of transitioning

[Amnesia]

Let me ask. When did you know your sexual orientation?
As in who you are sexually attracted to. I will tell you, around 10/11/12. The move to big school. The start of puberty.

Can you fathom for one moment what it must be like for someone who is in the wrong body so to speak.

Why does being attracted to the same sex mean you're in the wrong body... What happened to just being gay ?

 

[mmj_uk]

16 is just too late. By that age there are irreversible changes, especially to the male body. For a person that truly wants to transition you have probably consigned them to a living hell for the rest of their lives.

By blocking puberty you're preventing them from becoming what nature intended, playing god as it were, without hormones they are kept in a gray area influenced only by external influences which in leftist/non-conservative circles is excessive in promoting such choices. Children are easily influenced by peer pressure and social media echo chambers only amplify that. In infant school I supported a football team because all my mates supported them and they supported them presumably for much the same reason, you just did it out of a dersire to fit in and because all of the cool kids supported them.

There's no guarantee that intervention will make them any happier once they have left their circle of influence and they could severely regret it. Thankfully supporting a football team doesn't do any developmental or lasting damage to the physical body. I now support my local team who play in the lower leagues and get very little publicity compared to the successful team who everybody supported back then, which is probably why everyone did support them.

 

[Skunkworks]

Agreed. It’s a safe heaven for the far right to masquerade as civil.

Grumble grumble buzzword grumble buzzword grumble grumble buzzword.

These days, "far-right" just means "not broke in the head".

 

[Angilion]

Grumble grumble buzzword grumble buzzword grumble grumble buzzword.

These days, "far-right" just means "not broke in the head".

I saw a sadly true image of a political quadrant (left/right on the X-axis, authoritarian/libertarian on the Y-axis) as viewed by contempory politics. A small strip in the extreme of the left-authoritarian corner was labelled "left" and the remaining ~98% was labelled "alt right/far right". Including almost all of the left half.

For example, I've been called right wing. I think communism is a good idea on paper (a terrible idea in practice, but a good idea on paper) and I think it would be reasonable to call me a socialist. I think all key services should be nationalised, for example. Transport. Power generation and distribution. Water supply. Etc.

 

[Angilion]

Fine. We have the ability to - for all intents and purposes - change someone's sex. OK it may not be the sex with which they're born, but it certainly would enable them to live as the gender that they believe they are.

You can declare yourself 67 if you want. The government wouldn't accept that. They would, however, accept your change of sex. Particularly if you've been through a whole raft of treatments including the changing of your sexual organs.

That's not what advocates are campaigning for. The position is very explicitly that a declaration is all that's needed. A sex change without a sex change. Also to be applied retroactively. So no, your answer is not fine. It's not an answer because it's a response to something different.

They're not imposing anything on anyone! At worst, they're asking you to call them by a different name and use a different set of pronouns. It's not exactly difficult.

Nor is telling the truth, but you're not doing it.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

Grumble grumble buzzword grumble buzzword grumble grumble buzzword.

These days, "far-right" just means "not broke in the head".

Yeh I'm sure those that broke into the US capitol were perfectly reasonable individuals.

Again amazing display of ignorance on show here. Your happy to call the buzzword angle because you cant actually bring yourself to discuss these issues properly. It doesn't take a psychologist to know why that is!

 

[Skunkworks]

Again amazing display of ignorance on show here. Your happy...

People that don't know the difference between Your and You're don't get to question the intelligence of others.

 

[dowie]

Shocked and disgusted at the views of some folk on here.
...
One person with 'buyers regret' has taken a case which will impact some very vulnerable teenagers.

Oh the irony... "buyers regret" is how you sum up the case of someone who is now going through the process of detransitioning and you simultaneously want to have a pop at others with a different take for the way they've articulated their views?

You people have no idea. Unless you are Specialists in this area, are trans, or have a very close family member / friend who is trans.

Let the doctors do their job.

That works both ways, given the court case then "let the doctors do their job" could just as easily apply to people pushing for puberty blockers etc...

Fine. We have the ability to - for all intents and purposes - change someone's sex. OK it may not be the sex with which they're born, but it certainly would enable them to live as the gender that they believe they are.

We don't have the ability to change someone's sex, we can perhaps change some sexual characteristics (quite badly in some cases). As for "gender that they believe they are" I'm not sure every trans person is really that far gone, for some it is simply a gender they prefer to identify with.

 

[TurtleTwo]

lol I read a couple of comments, typical GD. I'm out.

 

[Angilion]

[..]Again amazing display of ignorance on show here. Your happy to call the buzzword angle because you cant actually bring yourself to discuss these issues properly. [..]

I'll point out the obvious for your edification:

i) Dismissing people who disagree with you as being enemies of the people (whatever phrase your ideology uses for that purpose - "far right" in this case but there have been many others, e.g. heretic, communist, counter-revolutionary, etc) is not discussing any issue properly or at all.
ii) Objecting to (i) is not ignorance.

 

[d_brennen]

Interesting how some read differing opinions and dismiss them as ignorance and lack of empathy. It's almost like wokeness is the new bigotry

 

[Lord-Jaffa]

The problem here is that you can't. Once puberty happens, especially with a male body, the physical changes can not be undone. I get your point but it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. I think you have to take it on each individual case. Of course it will always come down to the decision of the experts in this field, and 99% of the time they will get it right, but like anything in this world, there is a chance things will not work out... no matter which decision was taken.

Source?

 

[Skunkworks]

lol I read a couple of comments, typical GD. I'm out.

This is your only post in the thread.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

People that don't know the difference between Your and You're don't get to question the intelligence of others.

Iv just read your post history. Thank you for making me realise to put you on ignore.

 

[Skunkworks]

Iv just read your post history. Thank you for making me realise to put you on ignore.

"I've".

 

[hurfdurf]

Oh the irony... "buyers regret" is how you sum up the case of someone who is now going through the process of detransitioning and you simultaneously want to have a pop at others with a different take for the way they've articulated their views?

https://growinguptransgender.com/20...f-the-research/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

It’s a very small minority who regret their transition who are lending credence to homophobes to repeat the section 28 rubbish of 1986, which is a staple of the religious far right.

I expect it’s also an attempt to set up an argument that children cannot consent to medical treatment and thus we must ban abortion in under 18 year olds.

It is a transparent and disgusting attack on modern values in the name of wanting to get the debate on abortion going again so people can profit from the inevitable money raising campaigning.

 

[Skunkworks]

It’s a very small minority who regret their transition...

So far.

It's only been fashionable for a few years. We're going to see the consequences of a lot “progressive” policies throughout the 20s.

 

[Angilion]

https://growinguptransgender.com/20...f-the-research/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

It’s a very small minority who regret their transition who are lending credence to homophobes to repeat the section 28 rubbish of 1986, which is a staple of the religious far right.

I expect it’s also an attempt to set up an argument that children cannot consent to medical treatment and thus we must ban abortion in under 18 year olds.

It is a transparent and disgusting attack on modern values in the name of wanting to get the debate on abortion going again so people can profit from the inevitable money raising campaigning.

And I suspect it's an obvious attack on humanity by reptilian aliens from their secret base on the bottom of the flat earth! Using 5G death rays! It's totally obvious, utterly transparent! Prep your bunkers, people!

Marginally more out there than your runaway imagination.

Incidentally, is there any large scale study of long term results? Or is it just a matter of faith that it's an almost universal success story?

EDIT: Not of puberty blockers. Of sex changes. Both actual sex changes and pretend sex changes.

 

[hurfdurf]

So far.

It's only been fashionable for a few years. We're going to see the consequences of a lot “progressive” policies throughout the 20s.

Trans people have been around for a long long time.

We heard the exact same things about gay people when homosexuality was seen as a fringe weird trend rather than being an actual legit thing. The parallels are stunningly obvious.

I'll trust Dr's and people to make decisions for themselves rather than reactionaries with nothing but transphobia saying "but what might happen in 20 years time?!?!"

 

[hurfdurf]

And I suspect it's an obvious attack on humanity by reptilian aliens from their secret base on the bottom of the flat earth! Using 5G death rays! It's totally obvious, utterly transparent! Prep your bunkers, people!

Marginally more out there than your runaway imagination.

It's not imaginations, its the same people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-m...l-feminists-conservatives-transgender-rights/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...vative-christian-group-attacking-lgbtq-rights

But no, you try and frame it as me being conspiratorial.... that clearly shows how you are arguing in good faith and aren't simply a disgusting transphobe hiding behind wanting to discuss things.