The cost for them to buy, or the cost for us?
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OcUK AMD Ryzen 5000G series review thread
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Just the reply was `competitive price point` ; but seeing the price vs the 5600x and 5800x (cheaper than both), then maybe @Gibbo could look at getting some in? And maybe some Ryzen 3 5300G as well?
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Well that make me laugh! 5700G at £329.99 is still good price with GPU on it - it ok for to use it for mini pc behind TV
The UK RRP is a joke - £330 for the Ryzen 7 5700G and £250 for the Ryzen 5 5600G,which is £20 over what it should be.
The problem is they both lack PCI-E 4.0,and they are not much faster than a Zen2 CPU. There have been plenty of deals for the Ryzen 7 3700X at £200,and the Core i5 10400F/Core i5 11400F/Ryzen 5 3600 for £125~£150. That is £100~£125 towards a much faster GTX1050TI/GTX1650 GDDR6 which can be relatively easily found for £150~£210(not an ideal price but a few times faster).
The problem is they both lack PCI-E 4.0,and they are not much faster than a Zen2 CPU. There have been plenty of deals for the Ryzen 7 3700X at £200,and the Core i5 10400F/Core i5 11400F/Ryzen 5 3600 for £125~£150. That is £100~£125 towards a much faster GTX1050TI/GTX1650 GDDR6 which can be relatively easily found for £150~£210(not an ideal price but a few times faster).
They were never going to be cheap unfortunately and with GPU prices like they are, I guess they're going to milk that.
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Mine is 3700X with 1050TI for £350 total. Not bad for mine pc desktop including support PCIE 4.0 too.
I am annoyed why we suddenly are paying £20 more for them in the UK - AFAIK,the other Zen2/Zen3 CPUs were within a few quid of the USD conversion including VAT.
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vega in these chips is garbage, who are they for. Anyone with a brain buys a cheap intel with integrated GPU or buys a used gpu, a 1050 destroys vega apu.
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Oh bless you. Has AMD really offended you?
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Zen 2 performance cpu saddled with ancient vega gpu, kind of offensive for the price.
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Since Intel have absolutely nothing that can compete with the igpu, why are you offended? Dont buy one.
What will really blow your mind is when AMD launch `Van Gogh` with RDNA 2.... it`ll be using Zen2 not 3...
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It's a low effort release, hope it stays on shelves until it hits well under £200, which will be in no time with AMDiscounts.
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Nope wont happen. What AMD need to do now is sell the R3 5300G for retail (at around £149) and its a win win
Might just be day 1 prices though.
Looking at Europe-wide comparison sites, the cheapest 5600G and 5700G are £238 and £322. The American price I saw for a 5700G was $360 which would work out at £258 + VAT so about £310, but haven't seen any European price like that.
Anyway, with half the L3 making such a big difference, these are a hard sell however cool it might be to have an APU with GT1030 / RX 550 performance.
Looking at Europe-wide comparison sites, the cheapest 5600G and 5700G are £238 and £322. The American price I saw for a 5700G was $360 which would work out at £258 + VAT so about £310, but haven't seen any European price like that.
Anyway, with half the L3 making such a big difference, these are a hard sell however cool it might be to have an APU with GT1030 / RX 550 performance.
I assume there is still no other Cezanne die than the full 8C one, so what are the chances of an actual die being actually half broken?
In other words, 5300G means taking mostly good dies which could have made a 5600G or even a 5700G and disabling parts. Still a 175-180mm² part.
A true 4C/8T 4-6 CU die would probably be closer to 100mm² and they could shift those by the tons.
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5300G is an oem part
AMD Ryzen™ 3 5300G | AMD
Anandtech have tested it
The AMD Ryzen 7 5700G, Ryzen 5 5600G, and Ryzen 3 5300G Review (anandtech.com)
Hadn't realised it is OEM only, but I had seen Anandtech's review.
My speculation was more about whether they are running more than set of masks for Cezanne as a dedicated 4 core part should a lot smaller.
The WikiChip is silent on that though:
https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_3/5300g
But then it looks rather than speculating the just don't bother with die sizes until the info is a bit more solid.
So they only shot we have this one:
Looking at it, a quad would at most save about a third of the die, so maybe 120mm² unless the cache gets cut down a lot in which case why bother with Zen3?
So they not put their latest tech on these chips that use the 5xxx model number?
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The cpu is zen3, the igpu is vega. The rdna based apu come in q4
So out of interest, is there anything the "ancient vega gpu" does not do which RNDA2 does?
Or is it more a checkbox exercise like wanting PCIe 4.0 in a laptop so the SSD can drain more power than the display and CPU combined?
Personally, Cezanne would be a lot more interesting to me if it had 32MB cache like the other Ryzen Zen 3. While an ideal Cezanne APU would have 32MB and more CUs, I actually think in terms of desktop office PC sales, 32MB cache with 3-4 CUs would be a better balance.
Or is it more a checkbox exercise like wanting PCIe 4.0 in a laptop so the SSD can drain more power than the display and CPU combined?
Personally, Cezanne would be a lot more interesting to me if it had 32MB cache like the other Ryzen Zen 3. While an ideal Cezanne APU would have 32MB and more CUs, I actually think in terms of desktop office PC sales, 32MB cache with 3-4 CUs would be a better balance.