You need a third party router for that to work, plus a client device with a port over 1 Gbps. The hub 4 alone won't do it, hence my original post. The whole point of 1Gbps + WAN connectivity is not to exceed 1 Gbps on one device but to allow multiple devices connected on the LAN side to achieve higher throughput.I advise you take/follow your own advise, I know the HUB 4 has 1 Gb/ports (I have had one over a year) and I also know others have ran it at 1200+Mb/s via Bonding so why not read the links provided instead of being a smartass.
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Yeah I have built a few on prem edge routers and firewalls over the years (*Sense, IPFire, VyOS, Arch Linux, Debian, CentOS, FreeBSD, OpenBSD etc). Define 'without going nuts'... Most people would class building and coding your own router from scratch as a little... specialist.
A Linux box would likely be the 'easiest' way here.I haven't dug into the VM implementation but rr/bonding on device (eg Linux) to a >2.5G/10G L3 switch or client would work. Meaning 2x 1Gb in for WAN and 1x 2.5 or 10Gb out to LAN. Like I said I don't know the specifics here. The 1Gbps down was enough for my immediate needs (I'd rather have fibre for lower latency and better upstream, than anything), so I just plugged it in happy in the knowledge I could saturate 1Gbe on one client and have enough left for the family to stream Netflix 4K with the extras.
Exactly. This speaks more to VM's historical tendency to overprovision slightly on WAN to help ensure the CPE receives the headline speed paid for, than for a 'VM provides 1.2G and only gave us a 1G port fail'. The fact you can have multiple clients connected at once and see over 1G is a bonus.
It's not really shortcomings (as per my answer above to Chris). Arris, who provide LG/VM equipment atm, didn't have a >1G solution available when VM started sourcing hardware and rolling out Gig1. Remember, it's sold as 1Gbps not 1.2 - it's not a shortcoming when you're only being sold 1Gb to start with. The fact you can squeeze out a little extra from overheads using multiple clients (or, in this case, bonding) is just a bonus - an overclock of the connection if you will, not a shortcoming. That will no doubt change in future, and 2.5G with 250Mbps upstream has already been trialled.
VM was forced to add contention by ofcom, it is not them being nice.
I also know the HUB4 was out just too soon but they could have waited and at least added WIFI 6ax, my opinion like others is it is a joke and I do not mean for those reasons, it is worse than the HUB3 and that is saying something (I tested them all way back from SuperHubs).
I also know the HUB4 was out just too soon but they could have waited and at least added WIFI 6ax, my opinion like others is it is a joke and I do not mean for those reasons, it is worse than the HUB3 and that is saying something (I tested them all way back from SuperHubs).
Forced to add contention? Contention to me means the ratio of users to available bandwidth. Do you have a link detailing the OFCOM stuff? Is this related to BT/OR refusing to offer symmetric fibre because of 'competition' reasons (not wanting to eat into leased line products)?
I'm interested in what ways your testing has found the SH4 worse than the 3. They're both PUMA6 but with the extra power on board and the firmware offloading icmp to WiFi I haven't noticed any of the issues on the 4 that I had with the 3. Latency and jitter is still inherently poor (yay DOCSIS) but it's lower and more stable on the 4 with 3.1 (albeit one channel) than on the 3 with 3.
VM have 10% added "Contention" all on Tiers possible wrong wording but what they talk about on the VM forums.
I know the 3 and 4 are basically the flawed same Chipset and do not need the Band-Aid that moved load to the WIFI Chip via FW update to make look better on TBB charts.
WIFI on 4 is worse then 3 and worse than SH2 ac (was great range) again this is my opinion and others, you can have yours.
The HUB 4 also runs very hot and has a fan for the first time.
I know the 3 and 4 are basically the flawed same Chipset and do not need the Band-Aid that moved load to the WIFI Chip via FW update to make look better on TBB charts.
WIFI on 4 is worse then 3 and worse than SH2 ac (was great range) again this is my opinion and others, you can have yours.
The HUB 4 also runs very hot and has a fan for the first time.
You mean the over provisioning. WiFi, we may as well compare blades of grass in our gardens - too many variables site to site. If you want anything decent and reliable, don't use whatever junk an ISP provides. Stick it in modem mode, and attach your own CPE including a good router, switch and WiFi AP. Problem solved. That said, I found the WiFi better on the SH3 than on a Unifi UAP AC PRO. One of the several reasons I moved over to Ruckus a while ago.
I wouldn't particularly class needing active cooling as a negative, it could just as easily be called a positive (more powerful SoC). With an x86 router, managed rackmount switch and nas, I wouldn't ever notice the fan on the SH4 anyway.
It's just a shame VM won't allow customers to use their own modems.Yea sorry, got mixed up with terms.
I had to stick an addition fan bellow the HUB 4 a few weeks ago, no overheating LED but was mad hot.
VM will not let users use their own modems as it would be a nightmare when they get issues for support (unlike in USA).
IMO they should have the basic and a premium choice, even if you pay say a one of fee of £XX for the better one (again not owning but renting).
A cheaper not so fancy Asus Zen WIFI Mesh set up with VM branding but would need to be cost lot less.
I had to stick an addition fan bellow the HUB 4 a few weeks ago, no overheating LED but was mad hot.
VM will not let users use their own modems as it would be a nightmare when they get issues for support (unlike in USA).
IMO they should have the basic and a premium choice, even if you pay say a one of fee of £XX for the better one (again not owning but renting).
A cheaper not so fancy Asus Zen WIFI Mesh set up with VM branding but would need to be cost lot less.
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I'll have to find the exact model but I know they are Xirrus APs. I believe they are XR-1226 APs
I wouldn't touch Asus networking 'equipment' with someone else's stick, even for free. It's certainly not a name you'd find a commercial enterprise rolling out as CPE. Or at least, I'd hope not. All these blingy consumer names mean nothing in the real networking world - Asus being a prime example. Nobody in commercial 'real' networking says 'Let's buy the new Asus!'. They're toys, and in Asus' case junk ones. Arris, Motorolla, Huawei, Netgear (ugh), Juniper, Cisco, etc are more usual and more reliable.
Well they tried Netgear and Arris, I like Asus but would not buy the gaming/Rog range of Routers and no doubt they use intel chipset in some of them.
I am a home uer not a server farm and TBH I do not rely on WIFI (mainly phone updates), PC and NV Shield are Wired but both can use the WIFI.
In early 2000's I only used Linksys (Cisco) for peeps set ups.
I am a home uer not a server farm and TBH I do not rely on WIFI (mainly phone updates), PC and NV Shield are Wired but both can use the WIFI.
In early 2000's I only used Linksys (Cisco) for peeps set ups.
You're a 'home user not a server farm', but you're discussing Asus in the context of wishing VM would offer it as a 'premium' option. I simply explained that Asus is neither premium (in any sense - physical build or security/update wise), nor an option for an enterprise wanting to roll out CPE. You complain about the SH4 WiFi but then say you don't rely on it - so not an issue, then?
For many (most) people the all in one crapbox built to budget supplied by the ISP does the job. For those wanting something decent, sticking it into modem mode and attaching some good, dedicated equipment is the only way to go. Expecting stellar next-gen WiFi, a reliable switch with wirespeed backplane, a solid router and a good firewall with (S/D)NAT in one little plastic box costing ~$15/unit isn't realistic.
So long as the provided box works as a decent modem (and the SH3 didn't) it's all good.
For many (most) people the all in one crapbox built to budget supplied by the ISP does the job. For those wanting something decent, sticking it into modem mode and attaching some good, dedicated equipment is the only way to go. Expecting stellar next-gen WiFi, a reliable switch with wirespeed backplane, a solid router and a good firewall with (S/D)NAT in one little plastic box costing ~$15/unit isn't realistic.
So long as the provided box works as a decent modem (and the SH3 didn't) it's all good.
I can live without it being premium you are nit picking through my posts.
Again I like Asus you do not, I do not primarily rely on WIFI but nice to have it stable for phone and smart devices around the home (I have 2 VM Super POD's).
Many have top end WIFI it as they must have not actually need it (as it is cool) and could wire the nearby devices in many cases.
Again I like Asus you do not, I do not primarily rely on WIFI but nice to have it stable for phone and smart devices around the home (I have 2 VM Super POD's).
Many have top end WIFI it as they must have not actually need it (as it is cool) and could wire the nearby devices in many cases.
It's not a case of nitpicking. You suggested VM should offer two tiers of CPE, a cheap/bundled one and a premium/paid one, and you used Asus as an example. I simply pointed out that Asus is not an option, and explained why. It's not a case of me 'not liking' Asus as you do. They are not a commercial networking manufacturer, they don't make 'real' equipment, just home all in ones. VM/LG can't approach Asus and say 'What barebones do you have available, what can we customise to order at x per unit?' because they just don't. The few bits of networking gear they sell are in shiny boxes in consumer stores.
Asus are under regulatory supervision for selling substandard and insecure devices, and failing/refusing to properly update them, leaving customers vulnerable or compromised. When a company is under government-mandated audit for the foreseeable (20 years), you know they're not something you'd want on prem - even, or especially, if that's your home.
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If VM were to ever send me something Asus based, it'd be getting left in the box and returned.
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What kit do you run?
SuperHub 4 in modem mode, Gig1.
The edge router is a self-built SFF x86 box (Asrock Rack IMB-191, Celeron G4560 with HT disabled, 4GB RAM, Intel NICs) running OpenBSD with pf firewall, which also handles masquerade and source/destination NAT. Handles gigabit without breaking a sweat, including over WireGuard VPN. Current load average is showing as a mere 0.08, 0.03, 0.04 with 64MB RAM used (most of which is a table held in memory for pf, with a list of all IPs from a range of countries I want blocking outright). You can see a quick and dirty stats page for my router here, but it's just something I hand wrote in vim using vnstat images updated by cron at 5 min intervals, so don't expect The Shiny.
The DNS and network DHCP are handled by AdGuard Home running in Docker on a separate machine, for network-wide client control, ad and tracker blocking, kids website filtering etc.
The core switch is a layer 3 ('smart'/managed) Netgear ProSafe GS516TP 24 port PoE at/af, with two smaller dumb gigabit switches for upstairs. I'm looking to upgrade this to something like 2x Brocade ICX7250 in future with a 10G fibre link between the core switch in the network cabinet downstairs and a sister switch in the loft, with drops into each room replacing the current solid copper infrastructure.
Finally, WiFi is handled by a Ruckus R710 enterprise AP running Unleashed (controller on-device), with a regular LAN network, a 5GHz only network for priority devices, and a jailed captive portal + segregated network for guests.
...and here's me just using the SH2ac and a HP 8 port unmanaged switch
Haha, so long as it does the job you need. Some of us like gaming PCs, others (weirdos like me) like networking and stuff. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
All I am using is the SH3 and the wifi. Works fine...and here's me just using the SH2ac and a HP 8 port unmanaged switch
Oh I do as well, I'm a sys admin but as its just me in a small house this works fine and didn't want any extra headaches I already deal with at work
I have a PC, work laptop, TV, PS4, Tado and HTPC wired into the switch which hangs off the SH2ac (200mbit) and just use wifi for phones etc. I'm always interested in having the latest of something but as soon as I heard about the issues with the SH3 I kept quiet!