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I just dont fancy one, not even sure why.

To be honest I hadn't considered one until I drove the JCW Clubman and the M135i back-to-back. No doubt the Clubman 'feels' more exciting to drive, it certainly sounds better and I love the styling of course. But as a car to live with every day, the M135i - while 'clinical' - won it for me. But you can't go wrong with the JCW Clubman, I'd have been very happy with one still no doubt.
 

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Loving the blue on that, I have been looking into the new F54 JCW which is the 300bhp 4wd version that has the engine from the new BMW 135i X-drive. 0-60mph in 4.9 seconds its the fastest Mini ever built in a straight line(Before I get told the GP3 has the same engine and handles better, its actually slower at 5.2 due to being fwd). I've never driven an F55 so interested to hear your thoughts on that compared to the hatch. The F56 hatch never handled as well out the box as previous gens buts thats easily sorted with a decent set of coilovers etc.
The F54 is a more refined car vs the F55 at least in cooper S trim anyway. Read that as it's more grown up and less fun as it seems to be designed to be more comfortable rather than sporty. (Which I really like) I've never driven an F56 so I can't pass judgement on how the 55 compares to it. 3 doors win style points but I like having rear doors.

I kept the run flats on mine as there is no provision for a spare, I just try to stick to smaller wheel sizes. I'm not into modifying these new cars as they are just commuter cars to me. Comfortable, reliable and practical is my priority. I own a 27 year old saab that is my track mule that gets all the mods as it's easier, no warranty and it can take the abuse and cost pittance to fix.

Isn't still the F54 but now LCI? Anyhow, when I changed my F54 Clubman SD I strongly considered the JCW Clubman, but I landed on an M135i instead - purely for the nicer interior, proper HUD and iDrive 7. That and the barn doors on the Clubman got a bit old me for after a while.
Bizarrely my dad traded a M140 for his F54. Mainly as we prefer the interior of the mini to the BMW. I found that 1 series uncomfortable and more cramped than my F55. I only miss one thing from the M140 and that is the 3 litre straight 6. I don't miss anything else about it. I don't even miss the performance as it was impractical and unusable on our roads.
 
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Bizarrely my dad traded a M140 for his F54. Mainly as we prefer the interior of the mini to the BMW. I found that 1 series uncomfortable and more cramped than my F55. I only miss one thing from the M140 and that is the 3 litre straight 6. I don't miss anything else about it. I don't even miss the performance as it was impractical and unusable on our roads.

Yeah I'm talking about the latest M135i (F40) which is a whole lot different to the previous generation. You lose the 6-cylinder and get the very same 4-pot and AWD that's in the JCW Clubman. You get a far roomier interior now and the cabin quality is a huge step up.
 

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Yeah I'm talking about the latest M135i (F40) which is a whole lot different to the previous generation. You lose the 6-cylinder and get the very same 4-pot and AWD that's in the JCW Clubman. You get a far roomier interior now and the cabin quality is a huge step up.
Unfortunately, I liked the M135 even less than the M140. Current BMW's are not really floating my boat at all in the styling department. I prefer the exterior styling of the outgoing models significantly. The only bmw's that still sort of work ok for me are the 2 gran coupe, 3 touring or the 8 series. The 4 series beaver teeth is the worst of them though.
 
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Unfortunately, I liked the M135 even less than the M140. Current BMW's are not really floating my boat at all in the styling department. I prefer the exterior styling of the outgoing models significantly. The only bmw's that still sort of work ok for me are the 2 gran coupe, 3 touring or the 8 series. The 4 series beaver teeth is the worst of them though.

Yeah that’s very fair, it’s not exactly a looker :D like I said, can’t go wrong with the JCW Clubman.
 
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If anyone is interested in following it, here is a link to my youtube build series playlist for my current R56:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiHRzx1_4zHkdLjebh8bmXtfJ3JQS0U-7

I'm just editing the latest update as I refresh the rear end with some mods from Orranje Performance, which will go live this Friday.

Theres plenty of other Mini related content on the channels as I have "how to" videos covering all generations as well as walk arounds for my previous projects.
 
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Hey guys I'm in the market for a Cooper S R56. I'm just reading up on them and found that the 2010 - 2013 models feature the N18 engine which is supposedly an improvement over the N14. Is that correct? Would you agree? Is the N18 worth paying more for alone or is there something else about the newer models that is worthwhile also?


Other questions I have:

1: Is it true that the Cooper S maps to around the same as the JCW version on stage 1 anyway? So not much difference end result?

2: What benefits does the JCW have vs a remapped Cooper S?

3: Do any of the Cooper S feature traction control?

4: Will a remapped Cooper S be traction limited on stage 1 or 2? Does it ruin the experience?

5: Is the timing chain issue that bad? Should I ensure it was changed and when should it have been done?

6: Any other things to look for when buying? Any options worthwhile? Things to check on test drive?

7: How harsh are the Cooper S cars stock suspension to deal with daily? Do many people lower them?

8: I want one with Xenons fitted...are they good and worthwhile? Any known issues?

9: High mileage cars...what do you think about buying one with say 100,000 miles?

10: Gearbox options. Do the cooper S cars come with Auto boxes and if so are they good and worth it?
 
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Hi here is some text I pulled together on another forum, this covers the R56 N14 JCW and what is has different to the Cooper S very similar if not the same for N18:

Maximum power of 155kW (211 bhp) at 6000 rpm, and 260 Nm of torque (280 with overboost)
This is achieved by means of a new:
- Uprated turbocharger
- JCW Intake System
- JCW exhaust
- ECU map
- Electronic limited slip differential (EDLC - Electronic Differential Lock Control). This is infinitely variable between 0% and 50%, as opposed to the permanent 30% of the optional LSD fitted to the R56 MINI Cooper S.
- DTC (Dynamic Traction Control) as fitted as standard on all BMW models nowadays. The MINI John Cooper Works is the first variant of the new MINI to come with DTC which, to date, is not available even as an option on other variants. The main difference between DTC and the extant DSC is the ability to "remap" the parameters for the traction and stability control systems, to allow a sportier drive while still employing these systems at the last minute, without fully deactivating them.
- Brembo Brakes. BREMBO 4 Pot Red Caliper JCW Sports Brakes consisting of: Four-piston aluminium fixed front brake calipers finished in red with John Cooper Works logo,
- Red painted single piston rear calipers,
- Perforated and grooved ventilated front brake discs (316x22mm), Rear brake discs (280x10mm)
- JCW Body Kit


1: Is it true that the Cooper S maps to around the same as the JCW version on stage 1 anyway? So not much difference end result? Yes you can map an R56 easily to 211BHP due to it being a turbo engine theres always easily gains to be had. A Stock S will get above level of factory JCW with a map but it would be good to update supporting mods such as intake/intercooler (Note never got the use of Stage1/stage 2 etc. All depends on the supporting mods and the type of map being used.)

2: What benefits does the JCW have vs a remapped Cooper S? Supporting mods as list above, not just power but better brakes and and EDLC. Also a factory JCW get the better looks in terms of the JCW body kit too. If budget allows on the R56 I would always go N18 JCW

3: Do any of the Cooper S feature traction control? The S comes with Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) as standard

4: Will a remapped Cooper S be traction limited on stage 1 or 2? Does it ruin the experience? Its the runflats that cause an issue rather than power as they are so stiff and the first thing most mini owners that modify their car ditch. Traction wise all depends how much power/torque you add from the mapping and how its done.

5: Is the timing chain issue that bad? Should I ensure it was changed and when should it have been done? With the age of most R56's I would say it should have been done by now, the tensioners are the weak point that fail.

6: Any other things to look for when buying? Any options worthwhile? Things to check on test drive? Chili pack is a must, climate control is not standard, most come with manual aircon, Satnav is nice but at the same time its very out of date tech now and bluetooth streaming of music is not available in most of them. A good service history is a must with these cars

7: How harsh are the Cooper S cars stock suspension to deal with daily? Do many people lower them? Again the suspension in these cars is getting old now with some R56's being build in 2007. Depends where you ask, I'm involved with modified Mini's so in my world everyone lowers theirs, but that doesnt help you. For me I dont the stock suspension harsh as I'm used to coilovers set to stiff, but journalists have said its harsh. I certainly dont think it would be awful for dailying but depends what you are used to as a Mini is set up to be sportier than other mundane cars

8: I want one with Xenons fitted...are they good and worthwhile? Any known issues? No known issues with the Mini xenons and are worth ensuring you have those, I think Chili pack added xenons

9: High mileage cars...what do you think about buying one with say 100,000 miles? I've owned a JCW with 17k that needed a full engine rebuild under warranty as tensioner failed and valves hit pistons, yet I owned a 120k clubman S that drive like new with no issues, its less about mileage and more about how well it has been maintained. A good service records and lots of receipts.

10: Gearbox options. Do the cooper S cars come with Auto boxes and if so are they good and worth it? Yes they do, but apparently a pretty awful and slow experience.
 
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- Electronic limited slip differential (EDLC - Electronic Differential Lock Control). This is infinitely variable between 0% and 50%, as opposed to the permanent 30% of the optional LSD fitted to the R56 MINI Cooper S.

4: Will a remapped Cooper S be traction limited on stage 1 or 2? Does it ruin the experience? Its the runflats that cause an issue rather than power as they are so stiff and the first thing most mini owners that modify their car ditch. Traction wise all depends how much power/torque you add from the mapping and how its done.

6: Any other things to look for when buying? Any options worthwhile? Things to check on test drive? Chili pack is a must, climate control is not standard, most come with manual aircon, Satnav is nice but at the same time its very out of date tech now and bluetooth streaming of music is not available in most of them. A good service history is a must with these cars

Thanks for the detailed reply above. Lovely.

With regard to the above specific things you mentioned:

Tell me about the LSD... what do you mean by optional? So litterally when people spec'd an original R56 they were able to just add an LSD as an option? Or was it part of a pack? How does one know if this is fitted? I would assume it would be well worthwhile especially if mapping and increasing power. When you say the JCW one is infinitely variable...do you mean adjustable by user or just that it automatically adapts itself?

Re. Runflats. I've never had them on any car. Stupid question but...can you literally just swap them out no issues? No sensors will muck up? Not dependent on certain rims having to work with runflats etc?

Re. Chili pack being a must. What does the chili pack add on these and were there options within the pack, or does having the chili pack mean the same as every other chili pack if you get what I mean. :)


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LSD wise it was an optional extra that dealerships didnt push so not many had the. There is no real way of telling by looking at anything on the car, they dont put any stickers etc other than trying to do a burn out and seeing if one wheel doesnt spin. Or you decode the VIN online or at a dealership and that will tell you. Not quite sure on the variable bit in the above, wrote that along time ago but I can tell you its not user controlled.

Runflats, you can remove them and fit normal tyres. Basically rule is you can fit non-runflats to wheels designed for runflats but you cant fit runflats to wheels not designed for them. Switching to non runflats on the stock wheels wont cause any issues with sensors etc.

All Chili packs get the follow:
  • 3 spoke Leather steering wheel
  • 16″ Alloy Wheels (17″ on Cooper S)
  • Rear Roof spoiler
  • Sport suspension
  • Half leather sports seats
  • Auto Air Conditioning (2010+ LCI models)
  • Bluetooth & DAB Radio (2010+ Lci models)
  • Xenon Headlights (Cooper S)
 

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100% go for the N18 if within budget. I've owned a 2011 N14 and currently own a 2013 N18. Timing chains can fail on both, but less likely post 2012. The Cooper S has tuning potential to bring JCW power, but you'd probably regret not just getting a JCW and enjoying it in standard form.
 

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What makes people search for an R56 S over an R53, nicer interiors & gadgets?

R53 is a real drivers car. Low down go-kart style drive, epically tight handling/cornering, lovely revy engine with a superb and consistent supercharger pull.

The R56 S is fatter, taller, and turbo'd... also much uglier. If you're looking at older cars why go for the inferior one?
 
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The R56 is a much better car overall, so it's not surprising that people seek it out. It's also newer and therefore less likely to be ready to go in the bin than the R53, of which some examples are approaching 20 years old now.

I don't doubt it's probably the case that the R53 is a bit of a sharper drive but that's just one part of the package isn't it.
 
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The R56 is a much better car overall, so it's not surprising that people seek it out. It's also newer and therefore less likely to be ready to go in the bin than the R53, of which some examples are approaching 20 years old now.

I don't doubt it's probably the case that the R53 is a bit of a sharper drive but that's just one part of the package isn't it.

I'm a mechanic and i would disagree, the main point being reliability. The Prince (PSA) engines fitted to the 56/57 are garbage. Crap timing chains, crap Vanos implementation (premature rear of the Vanos shaft teeth), engine breathing issues, poor quality Valve stem seals that lead to carboned ring lands, vacuum pump (on a petrol engine??) that can seize destroying the engine and early 2000's quality electrics. In a nutshell its one of the most poorly engineered engines in a modern car.

And don't get me started on that abortion of a Diesel engine.....

The early R53 mini's engines (Tritec) whilst not without their faults were at least simple to fix and whilst quite basic pretty bomb proof.
 
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Whenever my Clubman went into the Mini specialist they used to give me an R53 as a courtesy car. Yes the interior isn’t great, and it rattles, and there’s no real infotainment, but man I loved ripping that car around and always started looking for one whenever I handed it back. The supercharger whine never gets old.
 

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The R56 is a much better car overall, so it's not surprising that people seek it out. It's also newer and therefore less likely to be ready to go in the bin than the R53, of which some examples are approaching 20 years old now.
Better how? More room, comfier suspension, bluetooth etc? If so I suppose other cars might fit that bill better than an R56.

There are still low mileage R53's to be had and I think they had less problems than the R56 overall.
e: as per darket's post above

I don't doubt it's probably the case that the R53 is a bit of a sharper drive but that's just one part of the package isn't it.
Isn't it the main part in wanting a fun and slightly nippy mini? I mean, why else would you want one?
 
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In my view the R56s have aged better and come with certain features you'd expect from a modern vehicle that the R56 doesn't - nav, auto lights, heated seats etc.

As long as they are properly maintained the issues aren't as bad as the internet makes out them to be, only the horror stories tend to be told anyway. Mine pushing is 77k now and I've encountered the odd issue as you would with any car, but nothing significant. In agreement with Fox, you could still have a quick car that is a lot newer, with the benefit of additions and offer equal levels of enjoyment.
 

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R56 haven't aged better in my opinion, they look fugly compared to the R53. Granted the interior quality is better, but in this type of car surely you'd want it for fun as opposed to plastic feel, a bit more boot room & comfortable suspension?

R53 has Nav and Heated Seats, not sure about Auto lights but that's a "meh" really.

The "equal levels of enjoyment" is a highly debatable statement to make :)
 

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R56 haven't aged better in my opinion, they look fugly compared to the R53. Granted the interior quality is better, but in this type of car surely you'd want it for fun as opposed to plastic feel, a bit more boot room & comfortable suspension?

R53 has Nav and Heated Seats, not sure about Auto lights but that's a "meh" really.

The "equal levels of enjoyment" is a highly debatable statement to make :)

The point I'm making is that its a stretch to undermine the merits of the R56 in comparison to the R53. I presume you've driven at length / owned both? In any case, happy to agree to disagree.
 
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Better how? More room, comfier suspension, bluetooth etc? If so I suppose other cars might fit that bill better than an R56.

They are better made, nicer to drive when not carving up your local B road, better specified and generally better all round cars IMHO. If you're buying one to take apart and use on the track then I appreciate this is irrelevant, but most people use cars for daily stuff, too. The R56 is still a usable car for this IMO.

Isn't it the main part in wanting a fun and slightly nippy mini? I mean, why else would you want one?

I'd imagine less than 5% of people who bought a MINI did so because of driver involvement. It certainly wasn't a factor behind the purchase of either of ours.
 
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