pci-e riser question

[Bradmax57]

once i get around to sorting watercooling out, i am planning on mounting my 3080ti virtically so will need a riser, do I need or will I see any benefit from a pci-e 4.0 riser over a 3.0? will be using it with the rtx and B550 and 5800x for now

 

[cub123]

Would like to know this also.
Good question!

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Why not go into your BIOS and set it to PCIe 3.0 mode? Then you can test the speed and you'll see exactly how fast PCIe 3.0 is Vs PCIe 4.0.

 

[kevman]

once i get around to sorting watercooling out, i am planning on mounting my 3080ti virtically so will need a riser, do I need or will I see any benefit from a pci-e 4.0 riser over a 3.0? will be using it with the rtx and B550 and 5800x for now

You won't see much difference (odd percent) in performance. If you do use a pci-e 3 riser cable I would advise setting it to pci-3 in the bios prior to swapping it in. If you leave it on auto detect in bios it may not recognise the card. If this happens you will need to put the card direct in the slot to get a display again. I think hardware cannucks did a good you tube video about all this.

 

[philo-sofa]

You won't see much difference (odd percent) in performance. If you do use a pci-e 3 riser cable I would advise setting it to pci-3 in the bios prior to swapping it in. If you leave it on auto detect in bios it may not recognise the card. If this happens you will need to put the card direct in the slot to get a display again. I think hardware cannucks did a good you tube video about all this.

This^^
Minimal performance difference (circa 1%) but there may be compatibility issues.

 

[Alt0153]

the question is why would you get a 3080ti, go to the hassle of watercooling it and then try to skrimp £50 by getting a slower riser to lose some % performance

 

[BigRazer93]

the question is why would you get a 3080ti, go to the hassle of watercooling it and then try to skrimp £50 by getting a slower riser to lose some % performance

Because a lot of people like my self wouldn’t spend £50 on something like that to make basically no difference

 

[CuriousTomCat]

Because a lot of people like my self wouldn’t spend £50 on something like that to make basically no difference

Yet the 3080ti makes "basically no difference" over a 3080 FE for £650 in my opinion. Well maybe £50 worth of difference.

 

[BigRazer93]

Yet the 3080ti makes "basically no difference" over a 3080 FE for £650 in my opinion. Well maybe £50 worth of difference.

10-20% when using ultra wide res is a difference and worth it in my opinion

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Yet the 3080ti makes "basically no difference" over a 3080 FE for £650 in my opinion. Well maybe £50 worth of difference.

Law of diminishing returns I agree.

But the 3080ti I have found runs quieter and cooler. It's just as fast as the 3090 but cheaper too. Only difference between them is the VRAM amount.

Yes the 3080 is the one that ticks value for money and destroys the rest in this field.

 

[MissChief]

You won’t notice the difference, but you’ll find if you update the bios or clear the cmos you’ll likely have no signal until you put the card back into the slot directly to get a picture and change the BIOS mode back to 3.0 if you use a 3.0 Riser. I’ve avoided bios upgrades for this very reason.

 

[Sarge2255]

Law of diminishing returns I agree.

But the 3080ti I have found runs quieter and cooler. It's just as fast as the 3090 but cheaper too. Only difference between them is the VRAM amount.

Yes the 3080 is the one that ticks value for money and destroys the rest in this field.

The 3080Ti is slower and has less VRAM than the 3090 ( it has like 12GB VRAM while the 3090 has 24GB). The cooler is also worse than the 3090.
Also 3080Ti is an LHR card and has restrictions in it.

The 3080Ti cost almost double the 3080 and almost matches the 3090 in cost hence why reviewers claim is the worst 3 series card value wise.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

The 3080Ti is slower and has less VRAM than the 3090 ( it has like 12GB VRAM while the 3090 has 24GB). The cooler is also worse than the 3090.
Also 3080Ti is an LHR card and has restrictions in it.

The 3080Ti cost almost double the 3080 and almost matches the 3090 in cost hence why reviewers claim is the worst 3 series card value wise.

It's marginally slower. Literally less than a percent or something in it. Also the 3080ti isn't almost double a 3080. £1049- £649 = £400 and £400/£650 = 61% more. So it's not even close to the 100% more you are suggesting.

Less VRAM is true but that doesn't matter because it has plenty. It's like saying my car doesn't come with a 500 litre fuel tank. Well that's because it doesn't need that much fuel. Also means less heat GDDR6X memory modules run hot and very hot indeed. 12Gb VRAM isn't an issue for me at 1440P. LHR - doesn't mean jack tbh. Ethereum mining is going dead soon so again another mute point.

I also got my 3080ti by swapping a 3080 for it. No cash required albeit my 3080 was non LHR and a top end AIB MSI Suprim X version. So cost doesn't really matter in this scenario for me. It cost me nothing well £30 postage to upgrade from a 3080 to a brand new sealed FE 3080ti.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-founders-edition/27.html

3090

1080P - 3 fps faster @ 208 FPS
1440P - 3 fps faster @ 174 FPS
4K - 1.5 fps faster @ 112.5 FPS

So yes you are correct the 3080ti is indeed slower. If you are saying someone should spend £350 more for 1.5fps or 3fps then I think it's laughable you think the 3080ti is bad value for money and slower and think it's worth spending £350+ for literally 1-3 fps. Again RAM doesn't matter these are real world figures in real games.

the 3080ti is 11 fps faster than the 3080 at all res's. Now that is a much more noticeable difference than 1-3 fps.

I agree the 3080 is the best value for money high end proposition available. But the 3080ti is essentially the same as a 3090 for £350 cheaper. You can easily undervolt it and overclock it to beat a 3090. Now what games actually need more than 12GB of VRAM at 1440P? None I imagine. Therefore I don't see this being an issue in the future either. I don't have a 4K monitor nor do I plan on buying one ever. I will do 4K gaming on my tv and console.


https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-founders-edition/33.html

The 3090 does run 10c cooler but the 3080ti runs cooler than the 3080. I know because I own both.

Also the 3080ti currently is mining away and it's core is at 49C, mem junction 78C and hot spot 58C. I don't think the extra cooling of the 3090 is required on this because it has less VRAM this helps keep it cooler.

https://whattomine.com/gpus

3080 makes $5 per day (ethereum)
3080ti makes $4 per day (ergo)
3090 makes $6 per day (ethereum)

Bare in mind ethereum will only be this much more profitable for 3 months when the difficulty bomb hits. Then the 3090 makes $3.75 per day and the 3080 makes $3 per day so the 3080ti LHR actually beats both cars for mining when ethereum bomb goes off. (bomb is different that hard fork to proof of stake, the bomb effects proof of work; mining)

 

[gpuerrilla]

The 3090 does run 10c cooler but the 3080ti runs cooler than the 3080. I know because I own both.

Also the 3080ti currently is mining away and it's core is at 49C, mem junction 78C and hot spot 58C. I don't think the extra cooling of the 3090 is required on this because it has less VRAM this helps keep it cooler.

Nice to see you adding to the farm and mining! What happened to the bad for the environment posts Sonny?

@Jerry64

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Nice to see you adding to the farm and mining! What happened to the bad for the environment posts Sonny?

@Jerry64

I didn't realise you aren't allowed to state facts.

Or are you saying mining is good for the environment?

 

[gpuerrilla]

I didn't realise you aren't allowed to state facts.

Or are you saying mining is good for the environment?

You spent many a post arguing against me how mining was pointless and PoW was dead, bad for the environment? Pot calling kettle black I would say.

 

[Psycho Sonny]

You spent many a post arguing against me how mining was pointless and PoW was dead, bad for the environment? Pot calling kettle black I would say.

And it is pointless as it isn't needed. Just the same way Branson's space trips are pointless. They serve no purpose. POS will replace POW and that is also a fact. Because POS is better for the environment.

Nothing to do with pot calling the kettle black at all. Burning trees is bad for the environment too. Yet I still chopped down 7 trees last year and burnt 2-3 of them. I have another 4 I still plan on chopping down with my chain saw. I can still do that and also state it's bad for the environment because they aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[gpuerrilla]

And it is pointless as it isn't needed. Just the same way Branson's space trips are pointless. They serve no purpose...Burning trees is bad for the environment too. Yet I still chopped down 7 trees last year and burnt 2-3 of them. I have another 4 I still plan on chopping down with my chain saw. I can still do that and also state it's bad for the environment because they aren't mutually exclusive.

Fair point.

 

[Sarge2255]

It's marginally slower. Literally less than a percent or something in it. Also the 3080ti isn't almost double a 3080. £1049- £649 = £400 and £400/£650 = 61% more. So it's not even close to the 100% more you are suggesting.

Less VRAM is true but that doesn't matter because it has plenty. It's like saying my car doesn't come with a 500 litre fuel tank. Well that's because it doesn't need that much fuel. Also means less heat GDDR6X memory modules run hot and very hot indeed. 12Gb VRAM isn't an issue for me at 1440P. LHR - doesn't mean jack tbh. Ethereum mining is going dead soon so again another mute point.

I also got my 3080ti by swapping a 3080 for it. No cash required albeit my 3080 was non LHR and a top end AIB MSI Suprim X version. So cost doesn't really matter in this scenario for me. It cost me nothing well £30 postage to upgrade from a 3080 to a brand new sealed FE 3080ti.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-founders-edition/27.html

3090

1080P - 3 fps faster @ 208 FPS
1440P - 3 fps faster @ 174 FPS
4K - 1.5 fps faster @ 112.5 FPS

So yes you are correct the 3080ti is indeed slower. If you are saying someone should spend £350 more for 1.5fps or 3fps then I think it's laughable you think the 3080ti is bad value for money and slower and think it's worth spending £350+ for literally 1-3 fps. Again RAM doesn't matter these are real world figures in real games.

the 3080ti is 11 fps faster than the 3080 at all res's. Now that is a much more noticeable difference than 1-3 fps.

I agree the 3080 is the best value for money high end proposition available. But the 3080ti is essentially the same as a 3090 for £350 cheaper. You can easily undervolt it and overclock it to beat a 3090. Now what games actually need more than 12GB of VRAM at 1440P? None I imagine. Therefore I don't see this being an issue in the future either. I don't have a 4K monitor nor do I plan on buying one ever. I will do 4K gaming on my tv and console.


https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-ti-founders-edition/33.html

The 3090 does run 10c cooler but the 3080ti runs cooler than the 3080. I know because I own both.

Also the 3080ti currently is mining away and it's core is at 49C, mem junction 78C and hot spot 58C. I don't think the extra cooling of the 3090 is required on this because it has less VRAM this helps keep it cooler.

https://whattomine.com/gpus

3080 makes $5 per day (ethereum)
3080ti makes $4 per day (ergo)
3090 makes $6 per day (ethereum)

Bare in mind ethereum will only be this much more profitable for 3 months when the difficulty bomb hits. Then the 3090 makes $3.75 per day and the 3080 makes $3 per day so the 3080ti LHR actually beats both cars for mining when ethereum bomb goes off. (bomb is different that hard fork to proof of stake, the bomb effects proof of work; mining)

Sonny your a secret miner?

 

[Jerry64]

Sonny your a secret miner?

Welcome aboard @Psycho Sonny