Caporegime
A Ginsters jumbo Cornish pasty shortage would be the final straw for me.
If Greggs Ran Out Of Sausage Rolls?
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Because they wouldn't fall under IR35 if they were being hired on a temporary basis to fulfil a short-term rise in demand ('defined services').
The challenge was that a lot of contractors were no different to full time employees with no specific end date or cap to the services. They were just humans working for companies and avoiding Tax/NI/Employers NI.
Don’t forget the government needs to properly resource the DVSA to get driving tests done.
The IR35 changes were not a bad thing and likewise you could argue many of those arrangements were artificial anyway (e.g. not actually legal before the change was made) and the true employment status of the person was actually an employee. But sometimes it’s easier just to close it down through legislation than taking taking everyone to court. You need a small army of people to do that given how many were using that practice.
I’m not use why anyone who is an employee would be unhappy about IR35 changes.
The IR35 changes were not a bad thing and likewise you could argue many of those arrangements were artificial anyway (e.g. not actually legal before the change was made) and the true employment status of the person was actually an employee. But sometimes it’s easier just to close it down through legislation than taking taking everyone to court. You need a small army of people to do that given how many were using that practice.
I’m not use why anyone who is an employee would be unhappy about IR35 changes.
Soldato
The loudest shouters in my field was 'top revenue earners' who were not directors in consultancy firms, and therefore couldn't tap into big wealth for themselves, but equally could not be added to an organisations wage budget. Essentially "MDs for hire".
The levels beneath that were day-rate contractors employed on projects whose association to those projects was limited to only where the budget came from, i.e. they effectively aligned into FTEs.
Genuine employees who were convinced it was the right way to join firms and allow umbrella companies to take a cut - I agree with you.
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There's a Straw shortage??? Is there no limit to the insanity?..
ginsters fillings are made of straw now? man their quality really has improved.....
Soldato
Because the Government includes lots of Pro-Brexit MPs at present and the remoaners blame everything on Brexit.
Remoaners have been buying ads on social media since the media manufactured this fuel crisis with images of queues under the heading "Brexit isn't working"
Caporegime
Aren't those who voted Brexit moan a lot about Europe? Isn't why they voted to leave?
Can we call them "Leaver-moaning-non-stop-and-still-calling-people-childish-names-and-think-using-nickname-is-some-kind of-win" ?
Not catchy enough?
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Nothing to do with Brexit. That’s why there are queues at petrol stations in Europe. That’s why restaurants aren’t able to open in Europe. That’s why food is rotting in the fields in Europe. That’s why the supermarket shelves are empty in Europe. That’s why shops are saying they will struggle with Christmas due to employee shortages in Europe.
Oh wait…
There are definitely other issues (DVLA seems to be a major one), but Brexit is definitely responsible for a large portion of where we are now and where we are going.
Oh wait…
There are definitely other issues (DVLA seems to be a major one), but Brexit is definitely responsible for a large portion of where we are now and where we are going.
After remaining virtually unchanged for five years, world hunger and malnutrition rose last year by around 118 million people to 768 million, with most of the increase likely due to the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a major U.N. report. read more
On internationally traded markets, world food prices were up 33.9% year-on-year in June, according to the U.N food agency's price index, which measures a basket of cereals, oilseeds, dairy products, meat and sugar. read more
There is increased diplomatic momentum to tackle hunger, malnutrition and the climate crisis this year with summits like the current one, but the challenge is huge.
After remaining virtually unchanged for five years, world hunger and malnutrition rose last year by around 118 million people to 768 million, with most of the increase likely due to the COVID-19 pandemic, according to a major U.N. report. read more
On internationally traded markets, world food prices were up 33.9% year-on-year in June, according to the U.N food agency's price index, which measures a basket of cereals, oilseeds, dairy products, meat and sugar. read more
There is increased diplomatic momentum to tackle hunger, malnutrition and the climate crisis this year with summits like the current one, but the challenge is huge.
Quite.
Soldato
So how do you "regulate" for the actual problem causing a lack of UK HGV drivers, namely....................
Can the Government "order" private companies to pay specific wages for specific jobs, or order private companies who accept deliveries to give drivers more/better facilities etc? I mean how exactly does a "competent" Government regulate these industry wide, decades old problems without taking them over?
For me the problem isn't a "competent" or not Government, this is simply companies having to adjust to a new reality - no more cheap European labour force = no more easy profits - so now everyone is having to pay for the correction that we're undergoing as we transition from the easy years (for companies and their profits) to the more "beneficial to the UK" years (more UK jobs & being better paid for them) but like all transitions it's painful whilst it's happening.
Soldato
That's it, I'm off to greggs to fill up my jerry cans with sausage rolls just in case, don't want to be one of those panic buying them next week.
Soldato
You think government are powerless to help with work conditions?
There's also no particular reason government can't offer training subsidies, or other inducements to both employer and employee. Or even a 'stick' approach of forcing companies to train a certain number of drivers as part of their haulier licence.
Equally, if there is unreasonable price pressure is from customers, forcing wages down as part of cost cutting, such as from the oligopolistic supermarket sector, government can make intervention there.
UK Hauliers don't make easy profits. The profitable ones run at around 1-4%. Much like retail, it's ultra competitive. Any profits are made from the sheer volume of stuff at tiny margins.
What you're actually saying is that what you think is beneficial to the UK is better paid drivers and the cost of those drivers being paid for by increased consumer prices, because that's where the money for those wages will come from, not from lower haulage profits. Reducing those profits any further will just see some haulage companies winding up.
I think the market equilibrium will actually be some modest long term wage increases, less haulage, and less goods on shelves in shops at higher prices with an accompanied general drop in the standard of living, especially for those on low wages. Even worse for those without. Another Brexit win.
You're also talking about less goods being ordered, grown, manufactured, delivered and sold, a reduction in aggregate demand and the velocity of money, tax receipts, growth and of course, jobs. Marvellous.
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Soldato
But there wasn't a transition period and the abrupt change of rules came in the middle of pandemic and a holiday season. That's where the competent goverment comes into play.
It was a Labour government who promised the earth to a generation of people telling them that they were all too good for manual jobs and they should all go to university, get a degree, be a lawyer or a doctor.
A generation did this and now end up working as a Barista, despite having a degree in history or the arts, because actually there was not the requirements for the sheer numbers of people wanting such highly paid jobs, but because of the dream which Labour sold them, they feel it is beneath them to be a lorry driver, or a fruit picker etc.
Labour felt it OK to just pay peanuts to overseas workers for jobs which they promised a generation of Brits they wouldn't have to do.
Alas the champagne socialism dint work and now they blame the government of the day for problems which are rooted back in their mis-management of the country.
A generation did this and now end up working as a Barista, despite having a degree in history or the arts, because actually there was not the requirements for the sheer numbers of people wanting such highly paid jobs, but because of the dream which Labour sold them, they feel it is beneath them to be a lorry driver, or a fruit picker etc.
Labour felt it OK to just pay peanuts to overseas workers for jobs which they promised a generation of Brits they wouldn't have to do.
Alas the champagne socialism dint work and now they blame the government of the day for problems which are rooted back in their mis-management of the country.
Soldato
No, I'm asking "how do you regulate"? I don't know how but maybe you do and could tell me.
You think someone who is capable of getting a university degree (in any subject) should be happy picking fruit?