When are you going fully electric?

[RoboCod]

You can jump up and down saying its wrong and they should raise general taxation or spend less (otherwise spun as 'cuts') etc. but the sad reality of our political system is that those things are vote losers, so will be avoided at virtually any cost. I'd love it to be different but it's foundationless optimism to think it will be.

Well other than a huge tax rise on initial purchase, or pricing people out of purchasing electricity, I don't see how they're going to replace this huge deficit in any other way.

Listening to ICE owners is like listening to sad smokers, rambling on about how much tax they pay for a pack of fags, with a "you're welcome" tone... droll.

Where's the lithium mining posts when you need them?

 

[Simon]

That's nonsense. Do we need to repost the same old ICE vid again?

Which one ? I don’t really watch YouTube for my sources to be honest.

 

[Simon]

Well other than a huge tax rise on initial purchase, or pricing people out of purchasing electricity, I don't see how they're going to replace this huge deficit in any other way.

Listening to ICE owners is like listening to sad smokers, rambling on about how much tax they pay for a pack of fags, with a "you're welcome" tone... droll.

Where's the lithium mining posts when you need them?

Replace ice owners with ‘people who don’t agree with you’. It’s not a binary position !

 

[Jonnycoupe]

The only cars I own are ICE…

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

The simplest way would be to charge a premium per unit used,
for public chargers this would be on every unit
for private chargers set a fee free number of units based on the house size, age and detatched/semi etc. This generates an allowed number of units per year (split gas/elec if needed) and every unit above this allowance is charged the premium for heavy use.

Say your house was allowed 1000 units of elec per month, you would pay your normal tariff upto that usage. If you used 1200, you would pay 200x the premium that month.
It pushes a small amount of admin onto the elec companies, plus of course an initial exercise to grade all the houses. Most of the info has already gathered of course.

Pretty much everyone with an EV would hit the heavy use, people who insist on excessive household usage even without an Ev would also pay more.

 

[Journey]

The simplest way would be to charge a premium per unit used,
for public chargers this would be on every unit
for private chargers set a fee free number of units based on the house size, age and detatched/semi etc. This generates an allowed number of units per year (split gas/elec if needed) and every unit above this allowance is charged the premium for heavy use.

Say your house was allowed 1000 units of elec per month, you would pay your normal tariff upto that usage. If you used 1200, you would pay 200x the premium that month.
It pushes a small amount of admin onto the elec companies, plus of course an initial exercise to grade all the houses. Most of the info has already gathered of course.

Pretty much everyone with an EV would hit the heavy use, people who insist on excessive household usage even without an Ev would also pay more.

Then lots of people could easily resort to none grid tired solar, and charge with no penalty, you could even tie a secondary battery in, if you wanted.

 

[AndrewNR]

It will have to be some kind of pence per mileage scheme once EV uptake is larger, it then doesn't matter if you charge your EV for 0.0001p per KW using 7 solar panels or 20p per KW at a station; this doesn't effect electricity companies or the Gov.
It will then just be a generic 1p per mile or whatever, possibly based on vehicle value/weight or some other multiplier

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Then lots of people could easily resort to none grid tired solar, and charge with no penalty, you could even tie a secondary battery in, if you wanted.

Both of which, although mainly the first would be pretty good idea, if far more people did it no?
Its got a cost as well of course, plus like anything to try to avoid tax, that the rules can change.

As we know as well, it would be pretty unlikely someone in the UK would manage to have so much solar that during a substantial part of the year they would not generate enough anyway.
And if they did so low mileage that they were able to charge on the solar panels they would probably be better to just pay the premium on those few units

 

[Rroff]

The same catastrophic rhetoric was sung when smoking was banned. If the government need tax funds, there's plenty of places to make them other than the motorist.

There are reasons those other areas aren't being tapped though. That isn't to say things shouldn't change but it isn't so easily substituted.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

It will have to be some kind of pence per mileage scheme once EV uptake is larger, it then doesn't matter if you charge your EV for 0.0001p per KW using 7 solar panels or 20p per KW at a station; this doesn't effect electricity companies or the Gov.
It will then just be a generic 1p per mile or whatever, possibly based on vehicle value/weight or some other multiplier

The problem with anything like this is that all taxes are more efficient if gathered at supply.
As soon as you rely on some sort of data gathering the potential for it to be an industry in avoidance crops up.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Over complicating this one chaps. Something more like ANPR on main routes for vehicle use. Forget this idea of EV only with a blended management of home and transport energy.

 

[Rroff]

Both of which, although mainly the first would be pretty good idea, if far more people did it no?
Its got a cost as well of course, plus like anything to try to avoid tax, that the rules can change.

As we know as well, it would be pretty unlikely someone in the UK would manage to have so much solar that during a substantial part of the year they would not generate enough anyway.
And if they did so low mileage that they were able to charge on the solar panels they would probably be better to just pay the premium on those few units

You'd need a decent size solar setup over the winter - approx. depending on a few factors like the specific EV, conversion efficiency and where you were in the UK, etc. a 4kw solar array would average around 10-12 miles worth over a whole day during the darker months - sometimes you might get whole weeks where it doesn't manage that total.

 

[AndrewNR]

The problem with anything like this is that all taxes are more efficient if gathered at supply.
As soon as you rely on some sort of data gathering the potential for it to be an industry in avoidance crops up.

With how "smart" modern EV cars are? Shouldn't be that hard to set up accounts, have the data uploaded and money taken by DD.

But I guess only issue is of non-payment or "owner" errors.

 

[jpaul]

yes - pay road mileage tax like the electricity bill - if you have a smart meterEV you can pay the right amount every month, otherwise pay an estimated monthly amount with a yearly tally up, at the inspection/mot - How would pay per mile car tax work?

 

[Journey]

Both of which, although mainly the first would be pretty good idea, if far more people did it no?
Its got a cost as well of course, plus like anything to try to avoid tax, that the rules can change.

As we know as well, it would be pretty unlikely someone in the UK would manage to have so much solar that during a substantial part of the year they would not generate enough anyway.
And if they did so low mileage that they were able to charge on the solar panels they would probably be better to just pay the premium on those few units

My point being that some people will do anything to avoid paying the gov.uk anything extra if they can. Also given the very low cost over 10-25 years it would certainly appeal to some.

Personally I don't give a flying fig what model they change to, I have an EV, solar, and home battery storage and am looking forward to V2H or V2G in the next few years.

 

[AndrewNR]

Personally I don't give a flying fig what model they change to, I have an EV, solar, and home battery storage and am looking forward to V2H or V2G in the next few years.

Imagine if everyone had this setup. Would have a massive dent in the economy.

 

[RoboCod]

Replace ice owners with ‘people who don’t agree with you’. It’s not a binary position !

I get it, you're anti EV and pro fossil driven, that's fine. I thank you for your kindness in subsiding my super cheap motoring. Now be a good lad and keep that petrol tank topped up lad. I'm very welcome

 

[[TW]Fox]

having a car sat on your drive for 99% of it's time will just not be economically viable for the majority of the population. Self driving johnny cab styled fleets will be the future and you'll have a car at your door on demand,

This ignores the fact people like having and owning a car - you only need to look at the wide range of models available to see this. If people really just wanted transport the car market would look very different.

 

[RoboCod]

Imagine if everyone had this setup. Would have a massive dent in the economy.

Depends. I'd imagine we'd save a fair bit in other areas if the nation didn't drive smog pumping vehicles. I don't know, I just think there's a lot of fear mongering around taxation.

 

[RoboCod]

This ignores the fact people like having and owning a car - you only need to look at the wide range of models available to see this. If people really just wanted transport the car market would look very different.

I like a lot of things, it doesn't mean I'm entitled to have them. Times change.